Do you think Riot's MMO will be a WoW-Killer?

WoW’s community can be pretty terrible and toxic. But the LoL community? No thanks. Good luck to their game/development. I’ll pass on that real quick like.

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Those same people play WoW…

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It won’t kill WoW, but like any large brand stepping into competitors space, it’s certainly a threat.

This isn’t a small budget game making an entrance. At the minimum, Blizz execs are aware and marketing is no doubt already putting together their forecasts to model for a potential entry point, or at least it would be wise to do so.

If WoW team is wise, they’ll improve their game and do it quickly so as to avoid any further hemorrhaging and erosion of what’s left of the communities good will.

Have you met the WoW playerbase?

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My experience with Riot is they’re more focused on hero narratives and shorts, while Blizzard likes doing these grandiose overarching narratives. They both have their strengths, but I think Riot’s inability to provide a reason for the player to exist in this world will be the sword they fall on.

All due credit to the OG GC, but he’s a systems guy. The last two expansions for WoW anyways have made a community kind of sick of systems.

Everyone knows Dreamworld will be The WoW killer.

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There’s some truth to this. There isn’t one huge game that somehow magically makes WoW irrelevant. But several quality games with co-op or pvp modes slowly eat away at the player base.

Blizz can get buy with minimal content for a while and retain the die-hard fans but when it comes to increasing the player base they have to put out content that pulls people in from other games.

What I see going on now is many other games eating away at the WoW player base. When, or if, the Riot MMO comes out it will be yet another game on the pile trying to get subs from the market.

At the same time though, Riot’s mmo will be competing with FFXIV, ESO, GW2, and all the other titles that are coming out, along with WoW. Have a look at mmo-population site and you get a sense for just how many people are playing the different games and mmo’s.

For WoW, if they don’t stay competitive it’s death by a thousand cuts.

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Blizzard is doing it’s very best to lose it’s players trust.

Only a lack of options, and addiction keeps the remaining base here, and I don’t think Blizzard has any idea what their going to do when Endwalker comes out on time and without excuses.

They’ll probably just blame covid again… :man_shrugging:

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Yup. It’s like taking a chisel to a boulder. Everyone awes at the spectacle and grand stature of the boulder and any small rocks placed next to it obviously pale in comparison.

But overtime, that chisel will erode the boulders size and dominance until those small rocks now look comparable. It’s not that the rocks suddenly grew in any meaningful way…it’s that the boulder was eroded to the point that the rocks had a chance to stand out.

It’s a DoT spell not a sudden burst. The saddest part is that Blizz/WoW are both the boulder AND the chisel lol. They have done a lot of the damage themselves.

A big brand coming in and throwing substantial capital at a new competing project will most certainly take market share away from Blizz. Unfortunately, I just don’t think any real pressure will be put on Blizz to perform by the board until some substantial hits to EBITDA and flowed down to EPS are felt.

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The definition of insanity is predicting the same thing over and over again (wow killer), but expecting different results.

or something like that.

But Ghostcrawler was a good systems guy! He was in charge of a lot of boring stuff that just worked and wasn’t too overly complicated.

I don’t know if the game will be any good but I’m willing to bet cash it’s crafting systems will be great!

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The last game you’ll every play!

The only potential “WoW killer” on the horizon is Elyon, coming this December.

I feel like the riot mmo has a lot of potential to be of interest with the more competitive minded wow players, but I am a bit doubtful about it being of as much interest to the more rpg oriented players. That’s assuming they do things well, of course.

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No, the only WoW killer is Blizzard. It’s like a love relationship between a woman and a man, most of cases the only way that a strong relationship is destroyed is not by other man or person or whatever, but by the same man that is in the relationship with the woman.

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i dont think so. but i hope so.

wow needs ferocious competition.

I dont think it will kill wow per se, but I do hope it gives them strong competition.

The only thing that could kill WoW is WoW

I tought it was Dreamworld kek

“Killer” is a stupid term to use. WoW is not going to die unless BLizzard stops supporting it. So I’m not going to engage in that specific piece of silly discourse. But to engage with the idea behind the question…

Right now, Blizzard has no direct competition in their chosen MMO space: Hyper-competitive MMO.

Most of the other MMOs carve their own niche, whether it be Guild Wars with its action combat and single purchase, ESO catering to the ES fanbase, or FFXIV focusing on community and story… and, as a result, none really COMPETE with WoW.

I think, given Riot’s history of competitive-focused games, that Riot’s MMO WILL be competing for the space in MMO Gaming that WoW currently occupies. Additionally, since it is led by GC, it will have some of that ‘developer nostalgia’ that pushes a lot of players to inaccurately complain about Ion’s level of competence.

So do I think Riot’s MMO will offer potentially stiff competition for Blizzard? Ya. Riot knows how to make competitive games, and LIKES to make competitive games. So I think it’s likely it’ll happen.