To my knowledge we’ve never seen a Broken draenei become un-Broken. But we’ve seen something similar: the cursed arakkoa in WoD got their wings back when they ingested demon blood. The mist that turned draenei into Broken was derived from Sethe’s curse on the arakkoa, so they should follow similar rules. If arakkoa could replace the curse with fel and get their old bodies back, could draenei do the same with Light? Your thoughts?
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I suppose in theory, like anything in WoW, but something doesn’t exactly sit right with me.
We’re having light infused zealots (lets call them what they are) ‘fix’ a people who are called ‘Broken’ with the light, after those people took up shamanism after they lost their connection to the light? We’re, essentially, calling shamanism lesser in this case - which might be spot on for draenei, and especially lightforged, but I’d rather not give that idea any real thought.
Even if self-named, the connotation that a people are broken because they lost their connection to the light and have some physical differences and need to be fixed kinda just screams eugenics at me.
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I do not really know that it work out so well… I think it might just… kill them. I just sort of imagine it fixing them by… frying them. Remember that there were broken on Argus as well, and they never were subjected to the red mist. It was pure fel exposure that warped them.
Plus this. I do not think Blizzard would be willing to touch that with a ten foot pole. It be better If they instead had the ‘broken’ progress into their own distinct culture.
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The Broken weren’t born that way any more than the Forsaken, they were normal draenei until they were changed and their connection to the Light severed. There is no lore instance of any Broken being restored to it’s former status just as the condition of becoming undead has never been reveresed.
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Sure, they weren’t born that way but not every person with a disability/ies was born with their disability either. It didn’t matter to a certain group of folks why, when, or how other folks fell into the ‘undesirable’ category due to disability, just that they did.
So trying to then ‘fix’ these people who are otherwise perfectly fine normal folks solely on the basis of physical appearance, loss of connection to the light by outside forces, or even under the claim of altruism isn’t a great look and wouldn’t like to see this concept portrayed. At the very least it shouldn’t be in a neutral or positive light.
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I’m to lazy to get my Chronicle and look this up, but I know the Broken were affected by an enhanced version of the “red pox” originally created by Imperator Molok. Since it is a combination of both fel magic and disease, I think it would be extremely hard or impossible to revert its effects on the Broken even with holy energies.
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The red pox was in turn derived from Sethe’s curse though. It’s been modified by the Shadow Council and ogres but is ultimately at its core the same thing afflicting arakkoa.
I considered adding a “ignoring if you think it should, do you think it could” clause in the OP precisely because of this tbh. I don’t disagree with anything you’re saying but was more thinking of this from a purely “Is it possible?” angle, rather than if it’s moral. If all ethical questions were removed from the equation, would it even work in the first place?
That being said if a Broken wants it, I say they should be allowed to. Just don’t do it to anyone who doesn’t.
I’m also not sure if it’s purely an aesthetic transformation though, aren’t they physically weaker? Like aching bones/joints and getting tired more easily, that kind of thing. That’s at least the impression I got in BC content anyway. Later stuff has kinda just not mentioned that.
But yeah don’t just do it as a sweeping change to all of them.
Edit: God I accidentally said “don’t agree” instead of “don’t disagree” which completely throws my response off.
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“Eugenics” has been with wow forever though. The blood of mannoroth, Eredar to manari, Eredar to lightforged. The illidari. The entirety of the burning legion. Trolls to elves to other elves, proto drakes to dragons, or super drakes. Yrei and the light forging of draenor, plus the stillwater experiments. The cat seems out of the bag to me.
With Illidans rejection of Xera’s gift, I guess they are saying forced eugenics are bad, as well as the current ambiguity surrounding the empowerment of the dragons. Rather than not touching it, they’ve been poking at it for quite a while.
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But this is not genetics, it’s infusion with a supernatural power.
I don’t know why people are comparing getting empowered by a supernatural force to genetics. In fact, on the subject of Lightforging, Lightforged Draenei don’t have Lightforged children, so you can’t compare Lightforging to eugenics even more than Fel mutations.
I think it is possible that Lightforging could undo the mutation of Broken. Besides, Draenei shamans in WoW are still able to use the Gift of the Naaru.
Not to mention, being Broken is a disability as it makes them physically weaker. While they shouldn’t be shunned for it, what’s wrong with curing a disability? Would you oppose a universal cure for deafness or paraplegia if one existed?
There was a quest way back where an undead was trying to cure their undeath, and the closest thing found was when a Naaru restored their soul to its pre-undeath state (didn’t cure undeath, but their soul no longer bore the damage of undeath). Perhaps that’s what it would take to cure Broken.
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I start to wonder… what if you toss a Broken into the Lightforge and it churns out a … Lightforged Broken.
Would that be fixed enough for some? But not fixed enough for others? What is the part that needs fixing- the physicality or the connection to the light?
Hm. Lothraxion does not have his horns.
Maybe it depends on who is working the Lightforge. Like, if the person running the Lightforge is not OK with Dreadlord Horns and Broken appearances, their forge might be set that way. But another person’s Lightforge might churn out other stuff.
I have wondered if his horns were taken during his torture/conversion as Xe’ra seems the sort who would of gone full scarlet crusade on him. Or perhaps, he gave them up willingly as a means of gaining the trust of Xe’ra if he does actually still secretly serve Denathrius.
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Yes it is. Its a physical and mental restructuring of the individual.
The nature of the Krokul/Broken mutation seems to be specifically tailored to block or otherwise hinder the individual’s use of The Light. So no, I don’t think the solution would be more Light.
The implication of the Lightforged trials was that they were dangerous. I.E. failing the trials could prove fatal, and a Broken’s failure rate would be close to 100%. We don’t know specifically what goes on in “Lightbinding” as it’s mentioned in the AU Mag’har quest; if it is somehow similar to the Lightforged trials or if it’s more similar to what Xera attempted to do with Illidan, but I’d imagine it would also be unable to overcome the changes in the broken’s physiology.
A better question is could a Krokul have a dark apotheosis into a true Man’ari Eredar through fel exposure. And if so, how many would actually be willing to make that bargain.
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In fairness, it’s not explicitly stated that Iskar and his followers actually drank the fel blood. It only says that Gul’dan offered to break the curse and restore them in exchange for their loyalty, so it may have just been a result of fel magic being used by Gul’dan to deliberately alter them.
Especially since ingesting fel blood has been portrayed as imparting increasingly demonic traits (horns, claws, fangs, spikes, hooves, etc.) rather than simply reversing prior corruption and healing old injuries (since flightless arakkoa lost flight to the curse and to the Adherents mutilating their wings beforehand so they couldn’t avoid falling into the pools when they were cast down.)
So rather than just a symptom of concentrated fel corruption, their return to “high arakkoan” form may well have been a deliberate transformation by Gul’dan.
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Hmm, fair enough. Been a while since WoD.
Though Gul’dan was already doing stuff to alter and mass-produce the blood throughout the expansion (like using Shadow Council adherents to sort of “incubate” it for later harvesting), so it’s possible he specifically made a batch for the arakkoa that would have that particular effect.
Otherwise, it wouldn’t really make sense for fel blood to just specifically have “reset the arakkoa to their old form” automatically built into it when it doesn’t do anything like that to anyone else. It didn’t restore Kilrogg’s eye or MU Kargath’s hand, so it’s not like it heals all wounds. It may just be that Gul’dan could make the blood alter someone who drank it in whatever specific way he wanted.
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no the light is evil now
it doesnt even hurt undead it revived calia with necromancy
Light as far as I’m aware of only hurts two things: Venthyr Death Magic, Fel Magic and Void Magic.
Venthyr Death Magic and Fel Magic is due to the Nathrezim spying on the Light while Void Magic is the archenemy of the Light.
Maldraxxi Death Magic, Kyrian Death Magic, Ardenweald Death Magic, Broker Death Magic and presumably Untainted(by Venthyr Death Magic) Mawsworn Death Magic are all unaffected by exposure to the Light.
The Nathrezim are an Evil Faction to say the least.
they’ve had like thousand years war on argus and broken are still broken there
Where was that mentioned?