Do you miss your havoc?

…cause i do, hell i do.

It’s so damn hard picking another main. No other spec check my boxes like my dead havoc does.

Send help.

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Still playing it and will continue doing so. Don’t need a FoTM character.

Havoc is Tier A right now for SL Mythic.

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/mythic-dps-tier-list

That information is sus. I think DH will be alright, however melee in general are going to suffer. Range has massive advantage in raid since forever and they are gaining one in M+ now too with the AoE cap.

Also, Icy Veins still seems to be using data from before the UBC nerf. I might be wrong about this, but their guides and everything else still list UBC as the go-to talent.

havoc was always middle of the pack, that’s not the problem. I don’t play for the numbers, i play for the fun, and havoc is trash now unless you have a hell of a healer 24/7 backing you up.

And blade dance hits like a wet noodle.

So far it is tier E btw… (low tier) h ttps://www.wowmeta.com/shadowlands/dps-rankings

Was tier D in 8.3 h ttps://www.wowmeta.com/bfa/dps-rankings

You then proceed to link wowmeta numbers.

Alrighty then.

Literally nothing has changed about havoc dh playstyle.

In single target, it looks like chaos theory, blade dance, and tor is the play. Exactly what we spec’d in BFA. You will have the exact same rotation. You will press the exact same buttons.

On aoe, cycle may very well end up being a better talent choice. Personally, I have no problem with this. We will actually have a variance in best talents depending on the content we’re playing.

I’m just not understanding the logic in thinking havoc dh is so fundamentally different in shadowlands from what it was in BFA. We’re still doing the same stuff. Conduits, legendaries, and covenant abilities will arguably bring with them more interaction than we ever had in BFA