Do you miss Apocalypse?

Classes Death Knight
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Do you miss your artifact traits from Legion or old talents ?

I mained UH since WoD, and enjoyed it so much on Legion, i miss the shambler, scourge of the worlds death famine war pestilence, but i miss even more my gargoyle and my Val’kyr :frowning_face:

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I miss being viable DPS for ST raiding.

I miss having raid utility with my classic and iconic class fantasy with AMZ (instead of the shell it is now in a wholly unfitting PvP talent, I mean seriously, what jerk thought this was a good idea to be PvP instead of PvE?).

I miss having my Unholy Presence that kept our class fantasy from replicating the slow plodding Frost fantasy.

I miss having the raid utility of Gorefiend’s grasp instead of that solely being a tanking ability.

And I miss having the fun and iconic Dark Simulacrum to play around with during dungeons and raids, even if this one I can see why they did move to PvP.

I miss using the Val’kyr/Gargoyle, that was far more fun that Unholy Frenzy, though having both available would have been far more fun than anything else.

I miss having all the functionality of the Apocalypse weapon where now we have to only get piecemeal parts of it through choosing talents.

But I really just miss being viable DPS.

Battle for Dazar’alor has been aggravating in the extreme, particularly with the loss of Master Loot. I can’t catch a break with getting my damned ST Azerite gear pieces or some functional damned trinkets. We’re already not great for a lot of those raid fights, and to be perpetually behind on gear is really disheartening. My team stopped running heroic Battle for Dazar’alor a few weeks after clearing Jaina, to focus on clearing Mythic. But my best trinket and shoulder piece are on damned Mekkatorque. And we’re not close to killing him on Mythic yet. And because our class sucks so bad at the Mekkatorque fight, despite having a fair amount of experience (AotC BoD, AotC CoS, up to Mythic Conclave, a decent enough io score, and mythic ilvl) trying to get invites to Heroic Mekkatorque via pugs is an exercise in futility. No one wants DKs.

The really frustrating thing is that we have as a team had drops that would have been good. There was a 425 ramping gigavolt engine that dropped on one of our H Mek kills, but despite the fact my team mate would have loved to trade it to me, he couldn’t. That trinket sits unused on them, because they are primarily a healer and its only a middling trinket at best for Ret Paladin’s anyway for their off-spec. The new loot system just sucks so bad.

In a ML system, that would have come to me in EPGP. And some of the stuff I got that I couldn’t use (useless Azerite gear that I would have preferred to send to team mates that would use it, would have gone to my team mates. And we all would have been better off for it.

It just leaves such a bad taste in your mouth with the frustration this new and degraded game experience is causing. I’m not sure the game or raid tier has ever been in a more depressing state.

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What Lorsair said is best truest post in a long time

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GOD yes. Spec feels broken and empty without all the passives/procs that made Unholy feel whole. Everything worked so well together, and by Legion’s end, every talent had a useful purpose in frequent areas of the game.

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We actually got many of the traits back… as azerite armor traits… but yeah, i miss apocalypse. Im still mad at blizz for tossing away artifact weapons instead of expanding on them.

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And still they are irrelevant or usless to use, so no is not the same, unless u want to shoot yourselve in the feet.

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This is good analogy.

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I remember skyrocketing the charts in ST with that Valk build, it was so good.

To quote Phil the Satyr from Hercules:

I tried all of those would-be DPS. Demon Hunters, Hunters, Warlocks. Alota’em!
And every one of these bums were down on Details flatter than a discus. None of them could give such a fun experience. And then, there was Unholy DK. Now there was a spec who had it all: the DPS, the class flavour! He could do ST! He could AoE! He could do burst and sustained dmg! BUT THAT FORSLUGGINER BFA EXPANSION OF HIS! He barely got his Artifact Weapon removed, and kaboom! He’s history.
yeah, I had a dream once. I dreamed I would play the greatest hero spec there ever was. So great our forums would be in the stars with the pictures of scrubs crying for everyone to see. And everyone would say, “That’s WotLK’s OP DK.” That’s right… Ah, but dreams are for who started on WoD. A guy can only take so much disappointment.

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Why should we get them in this fashion key parts of the class have been disseminated and distributed to other classes that have keep their own and now get the ones torn from DK’s toolkit? The Azerite traits are really badly setup for Unholy bluntly Festermight and Even Hellfire should be just baseline part of the traits of pets and our tools. They then should actually make ones that scale and do something less dysfunctional and boring to make them interesting and different.

So much time went into the Specific ones that are universal and nothing in to actually class ones that are a case of pick X always over Y because W and X are useless.

The point is they shouldn’t be fixing and adding class elements torn away with expansion based elements that are only valid for that expansion as this then causes the same issues over and over and over again. You purged the toolkit so we give dysfunctional assistance through a bad expansion mechanic which we take away next expansion to allow you to feel just as discombobulated over and over again…

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You appear to have only read the first part or two. I said that I’m still mad at blizz for tossing away artifact weapons instead of expanding on them.

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TBH they didn’t even need to toss them, just let them scale with ilvl or do something like destiny where you apply the ilvl of a new weapon to your artifact.

imagine the sense of progression if we kept the garrison traits, and the artifact traits and the azerite traits.

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+1 Lorsaire

repost in class dev forums. Doubt these blizzard clowns look in the DK forums.

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I miss the old talents and the traits from the artifact weapons but I don’t miss the sword itself. Apocalypse meant NOTHING to me as it was just a generic sword with a skull on it.

Unholy DK should have gotten a completely reforged FROSTMOURNE. Frostmourne isn’t an ice elemental sword. It’s a demon soul infused blade whose primary power is raising undead. That’s the sword which Arthas used to raise his entire army, which was used to raise the PC, etc. Yes, the undead raised by Arthas used frost magic to be mobile and to fill in the broken areas of flesh and bone, but that was part of the sorcery of creating undead rather than the sword itself.

Since unholy=undead then it makes sense that Unholy should have gotten Frostmourne, not some generic crap sword which means nothing. Hell I just use the Runeblade we got at level 56 because it looks like an actual Runeblade, looks better than Apocalypse and actually has real meaning to it since it is the appearance I’ve used ever since we could transmogrify two handers.

And then to make two generic meaningless one handed swords from Frostmourne which look super generic? So stupid and so insulting.

And then blood gets a random axe even though Death Knights use RUNEBLADES. Something which the devs would know if they played WotLK or just read the freaking lore.

While I am on the subject, why the heck was the random butt sitting on the throne featured so prominently in our class storyline? That damned paladin aint no freaking Lich King. He’s just the dude who is sitting on the throne for no reason now that Arthas is dead. Arthas was the one and only true Lich King, the only one who was involved in the DK story. Arthas was the one who created the DKs, the one who lead the DKs until they broke free.

The new guy sitting on the throne is as meaningless as Apocalypse is. He’s just a random Joe Nobody sitting on the throne.