Bleezard say Bleezard no drive. Bleezard afraid of internal combustion bang bang.
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“Blizzard drove the meta.”
“Players write the meta.”
Okay, so the meta is DETERMINED by Blizzard, because they actually design the game. Blizzard, by definition, determines what is best. They drive the meta. Players just document it.
You’re really not getting it.
You’re the one not getting it.
Blizzard makes the game. They make certain things “the best.” Players are operating within the confines of the game that Blizzard creates and provides.
You keep trying to argue the point that players are the ones writing guides outside of the game, but that does nothing to change the fact that Blizzard is ultimately responsible for what the meta becomes.
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Thankfully… ill only have to deal with Blizzard games for a couple more years.
Community toxic
Game imbalanced
Holier than thou Game Masters
Yeah, they do this by implementing changes… Just like I illustrated.
Hence, metas drive changes.
This topic is nonsense.
It’s a completely fabricated rhetoric that makes the assumption that following metas dictates game design choices by blizzard. IT does not. There is nothing that says blizzard has to design the game in any particular way because a meta has developed.
Sadly, people are dumb, and think this guy has a point. Blizzards failure to make the game fun has nothing to do with any form of meta that has ever existed within the game. That’s being far too generous to what has happened.
Retail has many good things about it that people over look because they focus on the bad elements.
Making changes to classic, or TBC, doesn’t mean it’s being turned into retail. It’s a disingenuous argument that never explains exactly how that is happening. Retails downfalls rarely have anything to do with what people claim they have to do with.
TBC can change some things without ruining the game.
You typed a lot but didn’t provide a single counterpoint to what I said.
Care to provide us with any?
Also note: I’m not attacking retail, nor am I directly attacking those who like to min/max. I’m pointing out that the way the bulk of players are playing this game will lead to changes, even though that’s not what they want.
Not what you want it is what they want as evidenced by your very own argument its exactly what they want. That’s why everyone walked though the dark portal and why they will all move to wotlk and tbc will die the second its available. Its exactly what we want.
I’m definitely moving on.
In Classic, look at the Chronoboon or FvF battlegrounds… Instance caps. Prople are playing Classic content a certain way and it’s causing changes. Some people welcome these with open arms. Many are pissed.
sadly, the min/max players are more than happy to get changes that make their min/maxing easier. that’s the main impetus getting us to retail.
Not all. Instance caps pissed off the druids, gold farmers and the booster/boostee folks. Arena changes pissed off the shamans. FvF pissed off the whiny Alliance folks.
Cant make everyone happy guess we will have to settle for making the majority happy and as you have pointed out all thread that majority very much wants all the changes. What did you think would happen when this games sub was paid under the same as retail that the player base wouldn’t be the same people? Should have seen it coming friend. Maybe if you stopped being one of those “pissed” people you would realize its still better than any other mmo and a part of you does its the same part that walked through the dark portal and the same part that will follow those same retail players onto wotlk.
I’m not pissed. I’m having fun.
In their defense. It’s very difficult to make things both feel different but have the same overall affects. So while you’re right in that Blizzard makes certain things “the best”, the players figure out what that is and exploit it to make “the meta”. Then Blizzard responds to that, players come back again to figure stuff out, and you have a new meta. The only games that are perfectly balanced are FPS games, and those avatars don’t have any special stats. So he’s right in that it eventually leads to a certain level of homogenization.
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Sometimes, it depends on the spec and what the player wants to do.
Some specs have free points, some don’t. And then there’s specs that are better for questing/open world.
My aff/Demo build I used to level and early 70 felt so much more sublime than being the typical destro build. Destro is obviouy the stronger spec, but it’s annoying to play in open world.
Sounds like a chicken vs the egg type of argument.
Basically the game is designed in a way and the players figure out what the best way to optimize within the games parameters. Due to players figuring out how to best optimize the game blizzard changed the game and thus created a new meta. Repeat this on and on for the entire life of the game.
It would be great if everything was balanced without being homogenized but that is near impossible. I think blizzard could eventually manage it but with them adding in new gear & new abilities with each patch/expansion it became difficult. So rather than worrying about balancing and keeping things unique they decided to sacrifice the uniqueness in favor of balance (hence homogenization)
It is a shame but at the same time is understandable.
Just gonna say for the record that eggs came before chickens
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Well that depends on our definitions and is pretty much impossible to know for certain. Which happened first did evolution cause the creature we identify as a chicken today to mutate before or after that creature produced offspring via laying eggs?
It is more probable that the egg came first and it was a non-chicken chicken ancestor that laid the first chicken egg but it is possible that for a period of time chickens gave birth not via eggs.
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Yeah I’m not getting into the details but was just saying that eggs existed before chickens existed, creatures that existed before chickens laid eggs. Yeah yeah I know it’s just a saying but I took it literally.
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