some people on the forums are saying that Baine and Alleria are “traitors” to their peoples by the things they’ve done. What about Valeera Sanguinar, the blood elf rogue friend of Varian, do most people consider her a traitor as well?
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I forgot she existed. Is she even an actual member of the Horde?
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She is not a traitor as she has never been afilliated with a major group. She is a free agent and as such she can do what she wants without answering to anyone.
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I’m still just trying to figure out who considers Alleria a traitor, and how.
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Any bloodelves alligned with the alliance is tricky since they were allies before Mr. Only-A-Setback withdrew them in favor of following Illidan.
There’s a gap between their withdrawal from the alliance and inclusion into the Horde, many could’ve just gone off to do their own thing, or renounced their Silvermoon citizenship in favor of staying with the Alliance.
Also I don’t think Valeera is pro alliance but rather pro Wrynn.
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Valeera is the designated Wrynn waifu.
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No. She’s a member of the alliance (despite her ridiculous insistence otherwise) and has acted in it’s interests for as long as we’ve known about her. She had never switched sides in any meaningful way.
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Anasterian, Kael’thas’s father, withdrew the elves from the Alliance after the second war. They had already left the alliance when WC3 started.
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As Valeera was, as far as I can gather, never affiliated with the Horde, she’s no traitor.
If anything she’s a blood elf who can very very easily slip in and out of Horde territory because who’s gonna notice another blood elf in red leather?
It’s also worth noting she’s not even part of the Alliance before people start on that. Her loyalty, up until Legion brought in the Uncrowned, was to the House of Wrynn and more specifically Varian and his son.
The Alliance can suck it as far as she cares, so long as the Anduin is safe.
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I usually forget she exists, frankly. You never see her or hear her name if you play mostly Horde. (And even now that I’m maining Alliance, I don’t see her much.)
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Depends on the perspective.
The Perspective of the Horde and the Blood Elves? Absolutely. Her loyalty should be to Quel’Thalas and the Blood Elves first, last, and foremost, and through that her actions should be serving the interests of the Horde.
The Perspective of the Alliance? Nope. She’s not loyal to the Alliance but to the House of Wrynn. She’s never betrayed the House of Wrynn, so, she’s never been a traitor.
The Perspective of Valeera? Nope. The Horde enslaved her and made her fight in gladiatorial rings. I imagine she would feel absolutely no loyalty to Quel’Thalas and the Blood Elves for having allowed that to happen. Her loyalty went to Varian, who helped free her from that life. So long as she honors his bloodline, she won’t see herself as a Traitor.
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God forbid we view characters in way OTHER then their racial/political affiliations.
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If you’re a Blood elf, you’d at the very least, hold her in suspicion as to where her true loyalties lie.
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Yep. To her, the Horde may have her fellow Belves within its membership, but is still the organisation that sponsored her time as a slave, and its leaders complicit in letting it happen.
Then the freakin’ KING of the Alliance comes along and saves her from that fate, and treats her like he values her presence and friendship even after he regains his memories and retakes his throne. She may not be wearing a blue tabard with a lion on it, but she’s House Wrynn ride or die. If Anduin left the Alliance to go start his own faction or something, she’d go with him.
She would also probably argue that the Horde are the ones who betrayed her.
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That all depends on how she wound up in the pit in the first place.
As a generic sex kitten, nobody thinks much of her, except Human males.
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To her race but not to the Horde.
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She was orphaned when bandits killed her family and then continued to pick-pocket on the streets to have enough to eat, even surviving the Scourge invasion of Quel’thalas. Eventually she picked the wrong pocket and got thrown in jail, but when they found out she could fight (she whipped the other inmates), they sold her into slavery to fight in the gladiator competitions. From there she met Varian and the rest is history.
This is why I cant be allowed to ask questions at Blizzcon…
“Yes, I just have the one question… Would it really kill you to let Valeera wear pants? She’s besties with the Royalty of Stormwind, she can definitely afford pants. Just saying…”
That opens up the whole “female armor in fantasy” can of worms trope.
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Hey now, there’s nothing wrong with dressing trashy every now and then.
The problem with Valeera (and several other female elves) is that from the get go she was invented to be a male human’s trophy.
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