(i’m shadow priest myself)
Do you truly belive your guild will just give you that amazing 2h weapon as ret pal with your dkp/epgp system?
Do you expect getting anathema on shadow priest?
Maybe that great golemagg staff on moonkin?
Do you think guild SHOULD waste gear on you before actually useful members?
I dont beleive ppl should be punished for picking a specific class/spec.
I also dont beleive segregating/ alienating people is a fair idea either.
The game isnt hard and content can be cleared with a big mix of everything. No elitism required in classic.
While there are some classes and specs that perform leagues better than others, if you are in a group then they expect you to be able to perform optimally for what you are. Sure a ret won’t destroy the charts, but a guild ignoring you when you are honestly the only real prime choice on that strength two hander would only be crippling the guild as a whole to ignore your main spec for an off spec of another member who will not use it to contribute to that raid with it.
Theres 2 answers to this question.
Probably, only meme specs use 2handers.
if a guild is bringing you into the raid, you should have a fair chance at loot. it doesn’t matter what spec you are. if they don’t want you getting loot, they shouldn’t bring you in the first place.
I think once people get bored of playing min/max to perfection, there will be plenty of room for color.
hey, i need ashkandi/ corrupted ashbringer for melee weaving bro…
If you have the right guild, then yes. Eye of Sulfuras dropped for us and we gave it to a ret paladin purely for the meme — we want him to be THAT guy.
Now we’re collecting mats for it, hopefully he likes it
Counterpoint: To be able to bring meme specs to a raid, you need a bunch of people playing real specs, with good gear, to kill the boss. So you should gear the people playing actually useful characters first, so you can continue to carry the people who insist on playing meme specs.
you dont actually need good gear in vanilla wow. go check out the raid dps requirement to kill patchwerk. the gear checks are an absolute joke and gearing is just a reward for playing the game / coming to raid. i understand doing certain things like stacking t2 on one priest/hunter to get the set bonus asap but when it comes to other gear just dont raid with the guy if you want to put him last in line for loot
If they’re bringing a Ret Paladin in the first place, they probably don’t care about giving items to subpar specs.
And no Ret Paladin would want to come along to a raid where they get nothing for it.
My guild’s shadow priest is running around with Anathema. I’m not sure what your point is. We also have 3 other priests with Benediction. It isn’t even rare. Now those bindings, those are rare.
Yes. If my guild asks me to swap over to shadow from holy/disc, I expect that they’ll let me roll on gear that caters to shadow damage. Same for our feral druids (we’ve got two, and they’ll be amazing off-tanks who do cat DPS when not tanking). If the guild allows them into the raid, then it is incumbent upon the guild to allow them to roll on appropriate upgrades.
If the guild doesn’t want “meme specs” in the raid…they should refrain from inviting them to the raid.
The end.
If by “high end” guild, you mean a guild that does nothing but push for fast progression in 40m content, then sure. Lots of really competent guilds, however, focus on a variety of other things. The majority of my guild will be specced for PvP and will gear for PvP…but we’ll still raid and we’ll still clear it all. It just won’t be our topmost priority.
Different playstyles exist in every iteration of WoW. In Classic, you’ll have all sorts. If a raid invites someone in, however, they have to let them roll on gear.
Dude…just don’t bring them if this is how you feel about it. If “carrying” someone is the attitude–real or imaginary as the case may be–don’t bring them. If you bring them, they get gear just like everyone else.
That’s the bottom line for me on it. Back in the day, we were PvP heavy, so we had meme specs ALL OVER our raids. They weren’t meme specs in PvP, and we didn’t ask people to respec every week for raid nights. We had the 40m content on farm, just like the big boys, and everyone got to be in the line for DKP like everyone else.
This kind of number crunching matters when progression is being slowed by underperforming players. Until and unless that is the case, however, it simply doesn’t matter. In our retail content, we examine logs and specs, and we ask people to dip out if they aren’t performing.
In Classic, we will ask people to dip if we’re hitting a wipe wall, but otherwise…they can play what they want. Maybe when we get there (lots of people still not at 60–including me after a 12-day family issue I had to deal with), I’ll have a different story to tell, but I don’t think so if it’s anything at all like 2006.
Crap, I was on my server forum, and forgot to swap characters . ^^That was me^^
Counter counterpoint: content can be cleared by a raid full of ret paladins dpsing.
I decided to random our Eye. Why? It’s not a raid relevant weapon so it falls outside of the purview of running a good raid.
I likely won’t allow the guild to help the winner, though. Can’t justify spending massive resources on a meme.
Sounds like someone got loot counciled some greens.
They spend the time to earn the dkp or w/e to get the item, why not? It’s what they want…what they chose to invest in.
I get the mentality of giving the item to the player that will benefit more…or that will help the guild. That kind of sucks for the individual player though. Plus I can see hunters waiting 6 months for melee weapons… a world without enhancement shamans (outside of raids) because none get past blue weapons. Boo…