Do tokens make WoW pay2win?

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Uhhhhh no it isn’t. Calling out people in the forums is against the ToS. Is that cheating too? LMAO i swear, some people.

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And?

Do you somehow think cheating hasn’t been a thing since the dawn of time?

You may not do it. I may not do it. Billysuemage may not do it. Jonnywarrior does it. So what? It is a bad thing to do, it has always been a bad thing to do. It will always be a bad thing to do. It has also always, will always, is always, something people who do that kind of thing will do.

The fact that cheating is a thing, that cheating has always been a thing, that cheating will always be a thing has zero to do with whether or not WoW is a P2W game.

Tokens deter cheating, which is good for the game and the players, but cheating is still a thing.

Do you think that guy who wants the 2M gold Mythic “you get anything that drops” run is going to spend $360 bucks if he can go to that gold seller and get the same gold for $150? Nope…he’s gonna cheat. And?

It still doesn’t give him any advantage that I wouldn’t have if I ran the same Mythic raid and was the only clothie so I get all the cloth that drops. Period.

It’s lunch time. See you guys in a bit! :heart:

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You didn’t say anything about an expansion. You just said that some guy obtained a raid item without going to the raid, which is completely possible in the game. When you were called out for not knowing the reward mechanics in the game you added things in to try to validate your (non)point.

I’d be crying if I were you too. :blush:

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Again not at that time there was no cache to get it .:face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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Id say no. Tokens do not make the game pay to win. Most gold goes towards vanity items. Getting geared through mythic carries is one thing, but just because you’re geared doesn’t mean you have all the skills to play your class at a high level.

TL:DR: Gold can’t buy skills.

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This is my last input for this. It seems like people who call this game P2W has some very weird visions on what P2W actually is or what it entails or how it works. I would ask you google what P2W actually is and play one of the games it lists for yourself.

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… is not a game environment breach.

Reading comprehension is a third grade skill.

350

No. But Pay To Win has only been legitimate since WoW Tokens.

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Sounds like you have one. I was giving an example. Okay then, harassing a player IN-GAME is bannable. Is that cheating? There better? Sounds like though you had no retort so resorted to insults.

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Now you’re just splitting hairs, because you couldn’t hold up a real argument.

Buying gold was cheating. You got banned for it. Now it’s not and you don’t.

If you want to go back to the basics:

Darklock’s First Law
Cheating is an apparently advantageous violation of player assumptions about the game. When those assumptions are satisfied, all apparently advantageous methods are fair. When they are violated, no apparently advantageous methods are fair. “Using exterior means to influence the play of a game is not necessarily cheating. It is only cheating if it violates the assumptions of other players and provides an advantage. When a player expects that gaining levels in a game takes a long period of time, he will call any method of gaining them rapidly “cheating” — even if it is an intentional feature of the game. When he expects that gaining levels is a rapid process, however, he will not think the people gaining them slowly are cheating… because that is not an apparently advantageous situation. It does not matter whether this actually is an advantageous situation, only whether it appears advantageous.”

https://www.raphkoster.com/games/laws-of-online-world-design/the-laws-of-online-world-design/

When everyone can buy tokens legitimately, its not cheating. When only people breaching the assumptions of the game environment can do it, it’s cheating. The “assumption” in this case, is that the gold was generated and gained through normal gameplay.

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WOW you reach hard. Anyways, I proved my point and you couldn’t retort it. Please learn what p2w is because you have 0 clue what it is.

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Pay to Win is paying real world cash for in game advantages.

You just don’t think its enough of an advantage, and that’s because you are entrenched in the existing system’s assumptions, while still chafing at the stigma of “Pay To Win” as a term.

Embrace it. You pay to win, and its legitimate.

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Short, to the point, and correct. +1

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Again, if you didn’t say what “that time” was how is anyone to know what “time” you’re referring to.

Also, without the caches it would, quite literally, be impossible to obtain raid gear without the toon going into the raid, unless it was a BoE item, and there has never, that I can remember, been a BoE weapon from Raid.

So it would have had to have been during Draenor, Legion or BfA because it would…again…, literally, be impossible otherwise. A player can’t pull gear out of the Twisting Nether.

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Who said anything about legitimacy of P2W? Not, I.

Legitimate or not, WoW is not P2W. Never has been, and I don’t really see it moving in that direction, like…ever.

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You my dear are completely lost in that twisting nether.I’ll leave it be and i disagree.Lunch time.

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Quoting to put an end to this topic.

…
Filthy gnome.

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Where else am I to investigate the fake news?

Hope it was yummy!! Mine was. :smiley:

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Paying to win isn’t buying gold. An example of pay to win would be if blizzard sold gear out of the shop that had higher stats than mythic raid gear, or sold gear that gave players more damage/resistance in pvp that was unobtainable or would take years to grind out in game. Buying gold is not, nor will it ever be, pay to win.

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Why are you buying the gold? Oh that’s right, so you can buy gear off the AH, or pay for loot runs.

There’s not some magic air-gap between your cash and your gear any more. It’s an explicit “I buy gold with cash so I can use the gold to buy gear”