I feel like i’ve seen almost no one try outlaw or assass, i feel like both of the specs could be insane. Rogue player NPCs press the change spec button if you think sub is unplayable.
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Hahahaha alright
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Outlaw does no damage
Assass is VERY energy starved
I’ve tried both
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Outlaw need like their mastery replaced with armour pen or something
I have no idea why the damage feels like a noodle slapping on a tank
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Im pretty sure outlaw does damage, and it has MS back and has short blind CDR. Could be insane for utility, but still no one tries it because they’re sheep.
Disc priest does more damage than outlaw
I don’t have great stats for it but still very unplayable
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More like Outlawl
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I’ve been healing a venthyr outlaw rogue. It’s insanely strong vs other rogues. Weaker than normal into warriors. Good into DKs. Lacks pressure vs rshams. Lacks pressure into warlocks. Actually slaughters ele / enhance though. Flagellation pairs insanely well with Dreadblades.
Don’t see any good reason to play assassination until it gets moved away from non-active damage. Big envenom windows are dull with horrible energy generation. Slice and dice is clunky without Cut to the chase or at the very least Relentless strike energy refund. Could be useful with garrote in 3s to create all-in kill windows though.
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Idk why they stopped playing sin that’s all there was in bfa but I understand just about every rogue in bfa was a fotm andy
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They stopped playing sin because it’s a god awful spec rn lol
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no haste on pvp gear makes the energy regen really bad. The loss of 3 CP garrote really slows down the design. It’s playable. Just not fun. Pretty much copy paste assassin being boring gameplay ever since cataclysm. Spec hasn’t changed at all.
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Yeah I’ve found with outlaw it can do really well vs low armour targets but the second we get a beefier class we just hit like noodles
Also need huge up time
I’ve also got no idea why it smacks other rogues so hard but it really seems to bash on them
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Rogues are really, really squishy. No secret here. Rogues always kill other rogues well. Outlaw happens to have better tools to keep itself alive though. Gouge, dismantle, short cd blind. Outlaw doesn’t have any damage that goes through armour, so it does well on squishy targets. Rogues are squishy targets. DK’s ironically have so much anti-magic crap that they’re weaker to actual physical damage seems like. Which outlaw can exploit.
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Adelgab hit my healer with 2 20k back to back envenoms btw lol
outlaw actually does good “damage”
problem is it’s very sustain and much less bursty which is very limiting as rogue where all your kills are during windows
I haven’t seen a single r1 player even try outlaw, just sheep community
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That might be less because their sheep and more because they are lacking the burst damage in a burst meta
They also are wildly harder to play and set up damage and have a long ramp up time and are more than likely limited to playing with a healer
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I wouldn’t go that far. Rogue is still rogue. You apply your debuffs and kidney something. Outlaw has more ramp up time. but it’s not difficult just tedious.
if by difficult you mean more things can go wrong by people ruining your window, then yes I agree.
I mean it’s a lot more difficult than opening and hitting shadow dance and going to town
Even on survival I feel like we have hella more burst purely by pressing bombs twice in a row
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As some one who pvped as Outlaw in BFA. Outlaw pvp is dead in Shadowlands. Any one who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.
Assassin? Along with its inherent problems. Phial of Serenity says hello.
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