Do protection paladins still have the lowest health pool in Shadowlands?
Last I heard it was monks, because they’re the red headed step child
I dont think it matters. Prot is fine in SL.
I’m sure they’re perfectly competent at PvE content, but that’s not what I asked. In BFA Paladins had the lowest health pool of any of the tank specs. I was wondering if that was still the case.
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It looks like Monk will have the lowest health pool followed by pally/warrior. largest health pool looks like the DK with druid and DH pretty close. always follows the same model, tanks with the most mitigation tend to have the smallest health pools to help balance it out. Self heal tanks need the health pool more to help protect from being one shot by average mechanics.
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I appreciate the answer, Dariun. I thought Paladins were one of the “self-heal” tanks. Is that not true?
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they are hybrid mitigation and healing. In bfa uptime on SoTR buff was usually more important than your self heal because the self heal had a longer cooldown.
in shadowlands it seems like you choose between WoG healing and SotR buff so that makes an interesting choice. WoG healing seems strong on live I haven’t tried prot healing yet on beta.
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Nah.
We have some self-healing, but most of our survivability comes from mitigation. Especially now that we can have constant uptime on ShoR again.
So if protection paladins are a mitigation tank, do we have magic mitigation? Or just physical?
You can block magic attacks if you talent for it.
And the DR from consecration.
Prot Pal is by far the best magic mitigation tank/spec in the game with Holy shield since it blocks spells and spell dots. Then of course Conc DR which was buffed. It’s why Prot Pal is competitive in PvP since almost all dmg is magic. There is also a 10 sec Magic immune with Blessing talent.
Having this mitigation makes all of our absorbs even stronger as mitigation is factored in before absorbs. Which allows you to mitigate magic attacks down to a point where an absorb has the rest and you take no dmg.
I thought all Tank specs took extra damage in PvP. Is that not a thing anymore?
Also, you guys keep saying " Conc DR". What is that?
Concentration does flat damage reduction(DR) based on Prot Mastery. Most specs now don’t have flat dmg reduction so it can be really strong at higher levels of mastery which some Prots like myself did in 8.3 stacking Mastery to the ceiling.
In SL they wanted to smooth dmg when SoR is down so they buffed Conc damage reduction some. Which is good since we can’t achieve crazy high levels of mastery like 8.3.
Totally a thing as Tanks take 50% more dmg but I compete in RBGs and play this game to PvP. Prot was the best mitigation Tanks due to the reworking of the Block mechanic in BFA. Blocking an attack used to be a flat 30% dmg reduction but now in BFA it scales on Shield Block value.
So 470 shield in BFA was 60% dmg reduction with shield block value. This is why Holy shield was so powerful in PvP since you can block psn, spells, spell dots, gushing wounds, trinkets etc. Which means taking 50% more dmg is completely nullified if you block.
Then with Mastery standing in Consecration I had a base dmg reduction of 30% which is stronger than Prot War old D stance. Then once mastery stacks got rolling or with Wings up I was near Block cap and the dmg reduction inside of Conc went over 55% in PvP. Outside of PvP it’s higher.
So Prot Pal mitigates extremely well from a mechanic standpoint if you hit certain break points. Enough Block, Conc DR and Absorbs.
This is also why Prot was so good in PvP you could over corrupt and fully Absorb a Thing from Beyond even though they do 33% of HP. You can block them since they are magic(60% DR), then standing in Conc reduces it further(30%DR) then the remainder gets absorbed from Nullbarrier, Bullwark etc.
In PvP 200k Chaos bolts and Gpies could be fully absorbed. Since they are mitigated down to 20-50k dmg then do no dmg as my Absorb actually absorb the rest.
Here is a pic of me doing 48 mil Healing in an RBG against a spell cleave. The reason it was so high was due to Holy Shield I blocked most of their spells and dots. So I just face tanked them standing in Concentration and I had 12 stack when we won.
After the RBG the other team private msged me because they didn’t understand why I took no dmg. It was due to Prot Pals awesome mechanics against magic dmg.
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That’s interesting. I’ve been a Holy Paladin since Vanilla. I haven’t played retail since Classic came out, so I never got in on the glimmer play style. And without glimmer, Paladins suck hard as PvP healers (mostly due to the dumb “melee healer” concept).
I’d heard about Protection Paladins healing in BGs, but honestly I’d already checked out of retail by that point.
With Shadowlands comming out, my daughter wants to hop back into retail. Everything I’ve been reading on here looks like Blizzard is gonna double down on their bad Holy Paladin design. So I was looking at alternative options.
I appreciate you explaining all this.
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for tanks health is important but what is WAY more important is overall damage reduction and block/parry/dodge chance, prot pallys have TONS of block rating and solid parry and dodge and they also good at just taking damage
Ummmm the spell is “consecration”
Unless you mean concentration, if so, enlighten me what that spell does please
Monks have always…always…always had the lowest hp in game as tanks due to how stagger works.
Paladins hp isnt even that low.
Yea mispelling it begins with a Conc…sorry I hardly pay attention to spelling.
Starts with “cons” though lol
Ehhh I call it Conc for short always have always will but where I come from we call our football team the Iggles and ask for water by saying wooder. It’s a word don’t matter how you say it or spell it as long as you understand what were talking about.