The only time I’ve ever flasked for raids was when BWL first dropped and we were doing it with only 9 healers. Popped wisdom flask for the first two weeks to make it easier.
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I mean, who wants to spend 3 hours clearing content you’ve done a bunch of times already. I don’t think speed clearing is necessary, but getting it down around 1.5 hours is definitely preferable. However, with a good group you don’t need flasks for that at all.
I get it, a lot of people would rather not. I honestly don’t mind one way or another because I enjoy playing the game and being in discord with friends on raids is fun in itself. I’m also the type of person that will go kill lower level mobs just for the fun of it though.
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I mean obviously you do you, I long ago decided that judging other people for hte things they find fun is stupid even if it seems weird to me. I just mean there are good, reasonable reasons why people don’t want to spend 3 hours clearing BWL. I want to get out of BWL so I can go back to PVPing with my friends.
You and I are on opposite sides of the spectrum when it comes to raiding but the beauty of that is neither one of us judge each other negatively for it, which is how it should be.
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Every class is capable of getting 150g in 2 hours.
So? It’s not about saving time. How many times do I have to say that?
Okay?
It isn’t accurate. If you’re farming for “the entire week” just to afford a flask, you’re making like 2 gold an hour.
Duh.
Read what I said.
Well, we’ll see who adapts to Naxxramas better: the people who already flask every raid and are used to that environment, or the people that think consumes are a waste.
Your performance in raids is objective.
You might prefer minimal effort over performance, but that doesn’t mean your performance is subjective. What’s subjective is whether you care about performance or something else.
1200 DPS > 1000 DPS, no matter how much you’d prefer to expend as little effort as possible.
… exactly. You’re not competing with anyone.
I’m saying some people like that competitiveness, and a raid environment where it’s totally lacking isn’t appealing to us. We don’t want to be in a guild that is happy to just clear the content eventually. We want to people around people who push themselves harder.
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Maybe maybe not, regardless it’s a chunk of time for an unnecessary buff.
Yes I get it you have set artificial goals for yourself, as long as you don’t expect others to care about them more power to you and whatever you do in game.
What was confusing, for the content we’re in now flasks are usually not the difference between wiping or not.
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The absolute numbers are objective.
Interpreting those numbers, is subjective. 1200 being larger than 1000 does not necessarily mean 1200 is better than 1000 once other concerns are applied.
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Yes. speed runs for warcraftlog records.
Yep. Just because it’s unnecessary doesn’t mean we won’t use it, though.
Well, the point of this thread was to ask if people really flask every raid and how they afford it.
I was just answering the question as someone who does flask every week, while responding to the incorrect responses from people who don’t.
No, we don’t farm 30 hours a week. No we don’t farm “all week.” A couple hours (yes, a couple as in two) a week of farming is enough to afford everything I need, and I use full consumes including flasks.
I can afford to do so because
- I farm efficiently. I spend less time, but earn the same or more. I do things that make lots of gold per hour rather than spending many hours doing things that earn little gold per hour.
- I’m patient when auctioning things. I don’t rush to sell anything. I wait until it’s well above its market value to get the most gold from selling the item.
- I buy materials to make potions and flasks rather than buying the finished product.
I never said flasks were the difference between wiping or not, though.
I’m curious why you bring this point up, is all. I flask because I want to, not because I want to prevent wipes.
If you’re talking about damage taken, e.g. standing in fire to do more DPS, that can also be objectively quantified. If you mean “I don’t want to spend X hours farming to do 200 more DPS,” then that’s obviously subjective.
The numbers, i.e. your performance, are objective. I think we’re saying the same thing, just in different words. 1200 DPS > 1000 DPS. If you don’t want to put in the effort to do more DPS, you’re still objectively performing worse, even if you’re… shall we say “being more efficient with your effort.”
Well the only real metric in the game is did the boss die.
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There’s definitely more metrics than that, but okay. Not everyone is satisfied with “did the boss die.” That’s my point. That’s why some of us flask every week, even though it isn’t necessary.
It’s a difference of goal, for lack of a better word.
Like comparing a drag car, to a formula one car, to stock cars etc. Whether that specific metric of performance is better, depends entirely on your goal.
If your goal is just to go as fast as possible as quickly as you can, that drag car is best suited to that task.
If you want endurance on a winding track, you pick something else.
What I’m saying is, the numbers themselves are objective. They exist and are comparable. But, assigning value and meaning to those numbers is not an objective task.
A lot of folks out there want to push their dps, or healing, or speed, whatever, as far as they can. Props to them, play the game how you want and enjoy it. I like watching my friends getting excited and having fun with it even though it’s not my personal goal.
Just remember to be respectful of people who have different goals, which is a two way street. People mocking folks as elitists without ever interacting with them and giving them a chance to show their character are just as bad.
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/shrug at the end of the day as long as you’re having fun great. Understand that for many people spending that amount of time on consumables or flasks just to make a number that doesn’t really matter go up isn’t fun for them.
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In retail parsing well usually means that you are aware of your surroundings, efficient with your movement and that you execute your rotation well. Players with good parses also can anticipate more things than worse players and will act accordingly.
In Classic, however, parsing is extremely inefficient going by every possible metric. You take longer to clear the raid (as you need to invest many more hours than you would if you were not using the best consumables) AND you have less loot to distribute as in order to parse well you need to raid with 40 mains in your raid group.
As I said above, I parse pink on Rag when my guild clears it with 40 people, but I parse blue when we clear it with 20 people or less. The second option is clearly more efficient as each player has only one lockout to work with, but because Classic parses are almost entirely dependent on kill speed option 1 yields the better warcraftlogs color.
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Yes because spending 12 hours to speed run a raid in 2 hrs is what every sane and rational person does /sarcasm.
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there is a huge difference between parse runs and speed runs. parse runs are “inefficient” yes. You wait for cooldowns between bosses and burn them as fast as possible.
Speed runs basically throw parsing out the window and you aim to go as fast as possible through the entire instance. However because your guild is likely min maxing you will still have lots of high parses, but there is no “cheesing parses” involved in speed runs.
Flasks help for both types of raiding. I agree with Rautaketju that I would rather play with players who want to perform well. I think a lot of guilds are setting themselves up for failure in phase 5 and especially 6.
The only people in my guild who flask every week are tanks and competitive mages and warlocks. But for speed runs its all hands flasking.
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Don’t get me wrong! You could say the same thing about a 100m sprinter. How many hours, days, weeks, months, years of training go into under 10 seconds of performance?
On speed runs warriors are using Frostmaul E’kos, Winterfall Firewaters, Elemental Sharpening Stones, Elixirs, Flask of The Titans and R.O.I.D.S. That is 10 hours of farming gold considering you have a well-geared mage alt, which many warriors still don’t.
My guild will flask the crap out of AQ40 because then the inefficient option would be not flasking, as each C’thun corpse walk is A LOT of wasted time.
our warriors leveled horde alts for warchief’s blessing instead of alliance mages … lol i wish i was lying