My mistweaver is still waiting for his time. I hope it comes soon
Honestly I never did. I figure if they nail the nerf right, you have hpal, rsham and disc all viable within their own niches. Which leaves rdrood and MW which would need something more then an hpal nerf to be viable.
We see rsham play in the AWC alongside hpal, given we donât see as much rsham as we see hpal, I donât see why Disc would suddenly appear and take over the meta with an iron fist when rsham is still making competitive appearances despite hpal.
Mw needs buffs across the board.
This seems fairly true. I play disc. The kit feels dumb. Shadowmend heals for 5k on a cast. Radiance will top both of my teammates with an instant cast. Yes, itâs extremely expensive and has a CD, but it still feels unrewarding. Penance is great though. Please donât change that, Blizzard.
i dont think so, theyâre strong but not overpowered
10/10, solid joke.
what about them is overpowered?
Disc is what it is. I think they should scrap the whole spec and give back pre-legion disc with mana burns. Balancing nightmare tbh
Youâre a bad troll
Are warrior fears dispellable?
Rets just need a mana cost on WoG so they canât spam it (some leggos and builds can generate insane amounts of HP to do this). Every hybrid does insane off healing and some (boomies) do insane self healing on top.
i mean do you q right now or just watch youtube videos and awc?
real question not meant to be demeaning
ladder games all the way up to low horde r1 look absolutely nothing like awc
disc retwar disc retdk disc turbo have all been played plenty
just because you donât see them in awc doesnât mean they arenât incredibly powerful already on ladder
nerf hpal change nothing and disc just takes over in every comp short of maybe godcomp or some niche moonkin comps
and disc is every other game
they need to do much more to diversify healers
Both Iâd like to think
What??? You make a play to force them to use divine shield not the other way around⌠wtf fid i just read
They are actually not iirc. They are a physical fear.
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Edits are meme, but yeah. I do see quite a bit of Disc on the ladder. I also see a metric truckload of hpal and quite a bit of rsham. Iâve even seen rdruids in the last four years.
I never meant to downplay Discs, theyâre absolutely great, but I didnât understand why you thought rsham would just disappear because I see a bit more disc then rsham, but I still see quite a bit of rsham.
rDruid/MW definitely need buffs, but if they nerfed hpal right, I figure weâd have rsham, hpal and disc as viable healers within the niche, not just replacing the 75% hpal meta with 75% disc.
Honestly, Iâm not sure the problem with Paladin isnât the healing output (it is a bit high comparatively to the other healers, but I would rather bring other healer at the same lvl of output), the problem is the healing output of HPal is tied to instant abilities (WoG/Holy Shock/Shock Barrier/Bestow of Faith/Divine Toll) or a big-fat-immune-holy-light-with-divine-favor.
Iâm sure that if Blizzard nerfed the healing of WoG (which would also nerf the conduit since itâs a % of the healing done) and Divine Toll (which would also nerf Shock Barrier) and move that healing towards Flash of Light or Holy Light, that would make a major difference between exceptionnal / great / good / average / mediocre paladin
Reward Paladin for casting, not for spamming instant abilities.
TL;DR : reduce healing from instant cast, increase healing from Flash of Light / Holy Light
Worgen thread, sigh. Is ret overtuned? Yes. So is arms, fire, ww, shadow, ele, boomkin, enhance and probably sub rogue.
Itâs better to have 8 or 9 overtuned specs than it being only rogue mage land with the occasional warlock like in Bfa.
Thatâs a good start, for sure, but hpals (and prolly blizz) would be very reluctant to that as they specifically redesigned them to focus throughput thru holy power gen, instead of mana spending hardcasts.
IMO the problem currently with pally is that they have more buttons to press while stunned and more buttons to press that stop bursty goes than anyone else, by a wide margin.
Between hard bubble, 2 charges of BoP with only 30 sec forbearance, insane burst with divine toll on 60 sec cd, very limited counterplay to Divine Favor/HL (although its a tad better now) and uncounterable ultimate sac-- thatâs a mighty toolkit.
And then also their throughput is probably still the best overall, and the least mana/resource problems of any other healer to boot.
Would love to see it, but it would require more than numbers tuning. They would have to moderately nerf the instants, add mana costs to them, buff FoL, and possibly add a holy power component to Holy Light.
Sadly I just donât see blizz doing all that anytime soon.
Itâs you again. The guy that admittedly has mental limitations preventing you from reaching your arena goals, but would like things nerfed around your limitations.
Paladins just got nerfed on Tuesday. All 3 specs got hit.