To a certain point yes, those who go to PTR (just like those in private servers) are the minorities who take raiding seriously and are planning ahead for official launch.
Of course bliz will and shoul listen to feedbacks from PTR no?
My issue is take tier 11 normal.
You can literally just not do almost 90% of the mechanics in the raid and be fine because the difficulty for normal for tier 11 is so low.
Whats the point of having a raid if the only difficulty allows you to just stand there and turret into a boss until it dies, wheres the sense of accomplishment in that?
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100% agree there is no point to it. Might as well not even have designed the mechanics.
Blizzard feedback from PTR is the data gained and bug reports.
A raid functioning correctly (as intended on the patch we’re playing on) is not a bug.
Removing the QOL updates makes it…less…quality…of…life updates. 
But hey, don’t hate the messenger. Look at how T11 went. 
T11 went great.
Id say normal was vastly undertuned tho.
We can agree that the difficulty should not be at normal level.
I believe it should be somewhere between normal and where heroic is right now.
I guess im just different and i like the feeling of beating a boss with the boys and girls (Sorry Soosh, also happy birthday!) that you just wiped 60 times to.
Be back later tho, new anime dropped today
I’ll never forget the day you came on here to say you got 13/13 (albeit, Nef 10M).
First thought was "What took Drink so long?! I actually felt bad. (Not /s, I consider you well above average and I am not interested in “progression” for an extended period of time)
From a gameplay POV, we’re all 372’d by 5 weeks while 85% of the community struggled and collapsed. From a WCL POV, there’s not enough competition because of the above mentioned.
That statement doesn’t include bugs we had to deal with on certain encounters.
Looking forward to T12, hoping these changes don’t take it over the top. T11 didn’t feel worthwhile or enjoyable on my end.
I just wanna blast, collect bis loot, and roll alts to do it again.
I had 10+ alts in wrath. I only play my main in Cata because clearing these raids are more of chore and less fun than wrath was.
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Not nerfed =/= buffed. Some Classic enjoyers like some progression. If Blizz actually cared they could implement the nerfs after some time for those people (myself included) to have their progression fun.
It was one of the better raid tiers in Classic so far, for me. If Blizz could have actually fixed the Council bug it may have been my favorite tier.
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Yeah, thats what makes it fun for me, the loot will come.
Yeah we had to do it on 10m for Nef that week because tanks werent getting the adds down right.
Looks like you got 13/13h a week before me tho.
Yeah i think t11 was 1 of the better tiers. and this has actually been 1 of the best phase 1 raids for any classic game.
It’s surely the best P1 of any Classic iteration for players that like a bit of challenge. If you like easy raids, Wrath P1 is probably better.
Yeah thats whats funny for me atleast is i actually think wrath p1 was 1 of the worst phase 1’s.
Im going to say 2nd worst as TBCC phase 1 was kind bad too.
TBC P1 is definitely the worst for me lol Kara is fun and all but only 3 25 man bosses is wack. Naxx is at least a cool raid even if it’s easy. And Sarth wasn’t a total pushover.
Yeah which is why i said for me it was 2nd worst.
Nerfed Naxx was just not fun for me.
Maly was meh.
Sarth was cool.
Watching all the lava surfers and void zone enjoyers.
I think Cata p1 was the worst so far.
It killed every guild on my server, other than mine.
Crazy.
Idk to me the phase 1 raids for cata were all well done, the fights on heroic were fun and the mechanics were a breath of fresh air.
I think Blizzard abandoning Cata killed every guild on your server /shrug
These fights aren’t even insanely difficult or anything (and they even have 4.1 nerfs), the notion that servers have been killed by the difficulty of T11 is hilarious to me.
It’s the truth, hilarious to you or not.
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