Do non-skilled players just not belong here anymore?

Title. I admit I’m not great at this game. Even the idea of a +2 dungeon honestly scares me. Maybe if I had a good guild or group of friends to run them with it would help alleviate my fears, but trying to find a nice inclusive group of content runners has been extremely challenging.

According to some threads and posters on this forum, if I tried to take it slow and learn the dungeons from the lowest levels up, and was met with harsh insults and kicks/leavers, I would in fact be the toxic one for not being a perfect player and daring to waste the time of others.

Just give it to me straight, does a player like me not have a place in the game anymore?

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There’s solo content for people who don’t want to group of feel some sort of anxiety about it, so there’s a place for your type of player.

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If you want to do dungeons start on normal/heroic get a feel for them,then start working your way up.

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People have time for players with initiative usually

Doing the research is more important than being a good player

Are you playing the right version of your character as far as gearing/talents/covenant etc

Are you doing the research on the dungeons you plan on running maybe watch some YouTube

People who take the initiative to learn these things rarely tolerate those who don’t unless they are guild /friends

Because most of us who grinded out the preparation to at least play decent understand it is a solo mission to get to a certain place in the game

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The game is now designed for fast learners with years of experience at games like this, a competitive spirit, and a talent for min maxing. It’s for people who pick things up just by seeing them once, who thrive on multi level complexity.

I realized during Legion that I was a slow learner at raiding. I raided normal with a guild of screw ups, and I kind of fit right in. During the BfA beta, I looked into what it would take to get decent at raiding, which would involve endlessly watching videos to find the details I seemed to be missing, and hitting yolo pugs full-time when the expansion started.

Actually it sounded horrible. Instead, I stopped raiding entirely. There is no place in the game now for slow learners who have no talent for games like these.

Blizzard thinks it can turn every casual into an elite by starving them of gear and nerfing away casual content. It hasn’t worked yet, and it’s not going to. But they can’t see what’s in front of them.

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Sounds like you need to find a guild of likeminded people.

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No but you need to accept that you will not see the same rewards as those doing the more challenging content. If that is something you can accept, then have a great time :slight_smile:

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Like what? The last thing I need is to commit myself to incredibly slow progression with another guild of screw ups and slow learners.

Let it go. Everybody isn’t cut out to be a raider. People who aren’t don’t owe it to you to spend all their time making little progress.

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Is it the content that scares you or social anxiety at what happens if you fail? What if it was M+2 w/ AI

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you’re fine, OP. just don’t start demanding things.

+2 has no excitement to it, the spicy stuff begins much high. In fact +2 is better than +0 because the timer gives the environment of M+ with none of the difficulty.

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finding groups of nice people ain’t that hard in wow. according to everyone here every group they join are toxic i can only laugh at that dumb statement when i and everyone else knows it ain’t true. if you can do mythic 0 you can do a 2 easily.

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That was quick.

Search your feelings - you know what I said before is true.

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Then why not play with all the posters here who want something similar?

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I can read icy veins and watch dungeons videos all day and still not feel ready. And people don’t seem forgiving of mistakes even if you mention you did all that. I just don’t know what to do anymore.

For sure, I just don’t feel like I can keep up anymore. I already gave up trying to understand weakauras for one. Basically already doomed.

I did address that already.

For the record I am currently on Moon Guard Alliance, can I join your guild? :slight_smile:

It’s the social anxiety. I’m terrified of failing in front of other people and getting yelled at over it. On that note it’s why I love solo challenging content, can learn on my own without anyone to lock me out or judge me over failure.

I’d love to be able to run a M+2 with my hero Jaina Proudmoore lols.

Would love to.

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It’s not a “try it for a bit”, it’s a try it until it works.
Finding a guild of people that click isn’t easy, it takes time, it may require a more populated server etc. If you decided not to do that, why expect total strangers to carry you and show you the ropes? If that’s the case, yes, you probably won’t climb too high in the content. If you find a community/guild of people that want to learn and grow together long-term, then you can definitely learn and do the content. It’s simple

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there’s tons of people doing low keys +2 that have no clue really and most are nice. the challenge of a +2 don’t require you to be an expert to get it done quit believing the garbage you hear here.

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I have hope they’re walking back from this with the ZM solo progression system. It will likely feel better with Creation Catalyst dropping, too.

I just hope that we get something akin to PVE badges or titanforging in terms of keeping more content relevant. There’s nothing to gain from LFD, there’s little to gain other than mounts from older expansion zones, and LFR only offers low ilvl tier potential at best.

Being stuck in one single hub is pretty lame, IMO. Would love to see them expand the world, even if it’s one expansion’s zone, rather than move from one isolated area to another. Invasions kinda did this previously. Surprised they ditched that system.

But as for power, it does feel like we’re getting a little bit of love back. Korthia was decent, too.

Low M+ isn’t too bad. I’ve run a couple. The hardest part is getting into a group and getting through the content in a reasonable amount of time. The former bit being the biggest hurdle. I hope we get some more love for queueable content.

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The only way to do anything good with other people is to fail in front of other people.

That’s the beauty of the dungeon finder.

Make your mistakes and never see them again

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this. if i were to pick up pvp, i’d pug-pug-pug bgs. win or lose, i’m gone at the end of the bg.

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Everyone here are non skilled . The real skilled ppl are getting paid to pay :rofl: