It seems that every time I queue up for a Mythic+ where it’s a mix of North American / Latin American players, the key never finishes and the group disbands pretty quickly. Wondering if this has just been my own experience or if this happens to other players too?
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No it has never happened to anyone else before.
For reference:
- ragnaros
- azralon
- tol barad
- gallywix
- nemesis
- goldrinn
- quel’thalas
- drakkari
Write them down on a piece of paper and paste it beside your computer/laptop/wherever you play, so you know in the future when making or joining M+ (or raid) groups.
Also I strongly recommend you do NOT put anything in your group title and/or description that you do not want these realm players. You will likely be mass reported and silenced for racism, as I did for a few days. After that incident I just auto decline now with no written explanation. Any rage whispers go straight on the ignore list.
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I actually downloaded an Addon that shows whether they are Oceanic, Latin America, Brazil or North America. I don’t decline them to Mythic+ on the basis of racism. Communication and latency are just too strong a trait for Mythic+ and there’s just no tolerance for language barriers and lag in high-end Mythic+ content.
That doesn’t come from a statement of racism, but I’m sure many players have that same expectation.
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Yes that was my point, that stable internet connections and clear communication is too important in M+, especially when pushing higher keys where 1-2 group wipes is a failed timer.
My comment about being reported for racism was taken from the automated email statement I got from blizzard after getting mass reported because I put “no SA realms” in my group description. Paraphrasing the email literally said that my dungeon group description was reported by many people for racism.
Now my eyes automatically hover over the realm name first thing when looking at an applicant. I don’t care if they are god’s gift to mankind and exactly what my group needs in terms of experience + spec, I will auto-decline based on those realms alone. I say nothing and I type nothing to them or anyone else. Any whisper complaints go straight to my ignore list with no reply.
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Bro I just checked your main and your highest key is a Freehold 17, I play with people that do 20s, spare me your elitism. But I would like to thank you for premptively declining me since it saves me the headache.
And yea, I regularly finish keys with people from the US.
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Congratulations you are an exception to the norm.
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In past season ive played with a handful of latin american guys that cant really say anything more than “invis” “rez” “skip” “rdy?” And they all seem to do 21s & 22s just fine based on their scores. I dont think ive ever actually seen any latency issues with latin serves just OCE servers. Chances are when people run lower keys with latin american servers the latinos are just as bad of players as any NA player just the NA players want something to stereotypically blame it on
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IIRC the Latin servers are all located in California. There’s a bit of latency on their end but nothing alarming. Or at least nothing I can say in good conscience is more alarming than the rural America crapfest my connection is, lol.
That said, what few pug experiences I’ve had with the likes of Ragnaros/QT have pretty much all been unusually painful even as far as pugs go. You’d think not standing in fire should transcend language, but…
I imagine these problems largely disappear once you break past 15s.
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I notice a higher than average number of disconnects and extreme latency issues when playing with anyone from the servers mentioned above. For this reason I always auto decline players from these realms and would rather not run the key than invite them. I’ve definitely had my one or two amazing Ragnaros players who did everything perfectly, but this is the exception and not the norm.
I actually had fewer issues when I would regularly play with a group of Japanese people: we had communication issues, but healing them was a breeze due to a lack of latency. It’s likely based on the quality of their internet. Nothing to do with race (family’s Hispanic, and to my knowledge these servers house primarily Hispanic players), I just don’t want a subpar playing experience.
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Tbh I avoid them too. I know there are good players there and I have played with some in the past but to me the average is just worse so I will only take them as a last resort.
Sorry to the good players but your server seems to be more outnumbered by bad players than most are. Idk if its language, ping, different strats or what but if other people sign up I will take them. Sorry.
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Nope
Had a quel’thalas holy pally with 1.7k score last night in the ML 17 run I joined.
He died plenty of times on easily avoidable boss mechanics, including shocking claw on first boss, adds on second boss, puddles on third boss and add transition on fourth boss WITHOUT being hit by drill. I don’t even know how he managed to fail that last one.
Every time he died he promptly replied with ‘WTF’ as if he had never seen such mechanics before.
Thankfully I was tanking on my druid with the only brez of the group, and I blew every brez on this guy. We just barely managed to time it.
If I had plucked some equivalent holy pally from area52, tichondrius, illidan, etc. would this have happened ? Almost certainly no based on my experiences.
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Yea youre right blacklist every single latino server. I see your posts alot and youre so damn smug its sickening, nothing is ever your fault and youre the best player to grace World of Warcraft with your pressence.
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As grating as he often is, he’s correct in this context.
I also refuse to play with a server when I’ve had numerous horrible past experiences with them having abnormally bad lag or just straight DC. The reverse is also true in my experience, as I have a hard time getting into groups hosted by anyone on these servers.
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Server lag issues are technical and acceptable things to avoid servers for. Assuming player skill based on server location and those who connect to it isn’t. Isn’t that literally textbook racism? And people wonder how racism could have ever existed in the past right?
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Idk ive never been in groups with DC issues with rag/qt/drakkari etc. The only servers i experience/they experience lag with are the OCE servers, which got to be horrible in BFA, never really noticed it in legion. But yes avoiding servers due to connection issues is plenty reasonable, usually people just use that as an excuse cause LaTiNo pLaYeRs bAd
Exactly.
Reread Cross’ post with the server lag agreement You and I now have. Suddenly, his statements that seem to be pointed at the Hispanic player sound more like they’re pointed at lag and connection issues. That pally probably got to 1.7k playing with fellow server mates. His constant response of WTF when dying to avoidable mechanics reads as a legitimate response now.
But again, when someone (Cross), goes out of their way to read as consistently abrasive as possible, these misunderstandings are nobody’s fault except their own.
The reason there are problems with Latin American players is mostly cause of the language barrier. A 2k player is obviously a 2k player (unless they bought Carrie’s and stuff but that’s usually obvious). You dont need to avoid every player just cause of their server. If you do see a group thats all from the same server, dont be afraid to join unless your role is healer or tank where you have to be vocal. I timed my TD 19 with a quel thalas group months ago and to this day I’ve yet to see another tank handle the mobs in that dungeon so well.
With that said there absolutely are some servers I avoid at all costs. I probably have 10 bad experiences for every good one with a ragnaros player (but that doesnt seem like its cause of the language barrier… it just feels like they’re the special ed server)
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The cause of that player’s behavior is unknown to me. Maybe it is sloppy play. Maybe it is poor connection. Maybe it is some communication issue I am not aware of. Regardless the end result is the same in that it makes the run much harder and in high enough cases can easily kill the timer.
And yes I say things like they are. No memes or flowery words or anything of that sort. If anything I am consistent at calling out the bullsh*t of others both in the game and in life. I don’t pretend I’m an amazing player nor some amazing person that everyone should praise.
I’ve been friends with and worked with plenty of latin american people and I have no issue with them in real life, but this is not real life. This is an online cooperative video game where at high enough difficulty levels it is easy to fail without everything dialed in. I’ve had too many keys since the beginning of legion ruined by people from that list of servers. I am in control of removing this detrimental factor from my runs and I do.
I’ve had runs with exceptional players from these servers in the past where they had above average skill, decent english usage and stable connections. For every one of those runs I have had 10 or 20 that go to hell real fast, so I don’t take chances anymore.
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no because idc what race they are…
If they are from a server where I have had predominantly bad experiences in the past though then im less likely to give them a chance. it has nothing to do with race.
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I agree not racism.
Server-ism maybe, but its in statistics.
I cant tell you how many of those servers I have run with and failed simple keys.
If it was possible to fail a 0, at least one group would have easily.
Sure there are good players. I see those 2k rio scores and often wonder how they got em.
But their server-mates are enough to make me pick other players over them.
One exception is if I have a 4 person guild group to blast a low-mid level key (5-10) , and we just need a warm body.
Even then it can be rough.
But I know worst case we can 4 man it, as we have in the past.
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