Do Judgement of Light procs show up in meters?

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My raid team is heavily melee centric, a lot of warriors and rogues.

I keep Judgement of Light up all the time.

I’ve noticed a distinct difference in the durability of my raid team when I’m alive vs. not.

Do the heal procs from my Judgement show on meters?

Edit: I am ret, my goal is to swing Nightfall, I don’t care about my performance on the dps meters, I’m just glad to be there and help.

When I die, I immediately notice that the whole raid starts having a lot more issues with health levels.

I’m pretty sure that me keeping JoL up is providing a serious benefit, but I don’t run meters myself so, I don’t know if it is showing up :stuck_out_tongue:

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Give nightfall to a hunter instead tbh, ret uptime isnt very good

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I think they show up, but as self heals, so you wouldn’t get credit for it.

Would have to check every raid member individually to see total effect.

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Give nightfall to no one as it’s using BC proc rates and it’s really only good for enhance.

Give to a hunter who can do 500+ dps in a fight and make him wear it for a 17% uptime and then he does 40 dps…not worth.

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Nightfall is not worth it.

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I don’t think the rest of the raid also dying is an indication of you keeping them alive.

The more likely explanation is that your healers are having trouble keeping everyone alive, and since you are a ret pally, keeping you alive is very low priority compared to others so they let you die first while they try to keep important people alive.

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Intereseting.

Only 1 of these replies was useful.

The struggle is real :slight_smile:

We clear MC in 90 minutes and BWL in 2 hours. Sometimes we have close calls, but we almost never wipe. Once a week maybe.

I don’t think my healers are having issues. It would be more accurate to say that I am one. It’s just that I heal via melee. People die when I die.

@ Suboptimal: Thank you for the info. :slight_smile: It’s unfortunate that it works that way, but, oh well. That healing should be attributed to me.

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What are you doing that causes you to die? Are the other people in your raid also doing those things?

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I never die alone :stuck_out_tongue:

Sometimes things aoe, sometimes we have one or two less healers, etc.

You know how raiding is. Also I have divine shield.

I only die if at least several other melee dps do.

Things happen. We don’t wipe.

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Well if you’re dying when other people are also dying, it doesn’t seem like your judgement is actually helping keep the raid alive.

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Respectfully, I think you’re trolling me :stuck_out_tongue:

Permit me to explain. When I’m alive, the warriors, rogues, hunters, and mages are uniformly above 75% health.

After I go down, the entire raid’s health becomes much more… precarious. Between Ony, MC, and BWL, I’d say I die about 5-7 times per week. Enough to… see.

Without showing you a video it’s hard to explain.

Just something I’ve noticed.

It was my dps warrior lead who made me re-spec ret for this very reason, btw. Well, more accurately, asked me to.

Edit: For reference, we usually run 2-3 prot warriors, 10-15 fury warriors, 5-8 rogues, 1-5 hunters, 10 mages, and 0-2 feral druids, which are the classes this would effect, since warlock/shadow priest dots don’t proc JoL as far as I know.

Once in awhile our boomkin comes. Sometimes our other ret pally comes but he doesn’t keep up judgment of wisdom so I get peeved about that.

So those are the classes this would effect. We have a pretty fluid composition. We just take whoever is online. No problems yet.

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If you never die alone, and you’re dying up to 7 times a week without wipes, it sounds like you and the rest of your raid just don’t know how to avoid aoe damage.

If you aren’t tanking, you shouldn’t take damage on most fights, and it’s not surprising that the rest of the raid is also taking damage on fights where you take enough damage to die.

If your judgement made enough difference to mitigate half your raid standing in aoe, then it would be keeping you alive while you stand in aoe too.

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Fair enough, but I think you’re oversimplifying things a little :stuck_out_tongue:
We’re not all just standing inside the fire, as it were :slight_smile:

Because again, we NEVER wipe. I have never once wiped in a raid with this guild, except when the server hiccuped once and dc’ed half the raid.

The point of the thread was simply this: When I’m alive and doing my thing, which is to keep JoL up and NOT maximize my own dps, the raid just seems a lot safer and overall health levels are more stable and higher.

It’s unfortunate that this is not attributed to me on meters, I wish that weren’t the case.

If and when I go down, I notice an immediate dip in the raids overall hp.

My personal DPS is secondary to this and I just take tier gear and melee dps gear that nobody else needs.

I don’t have a capture card or any recording software so I can’t prove it.

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Yes, extra healing will typically do that. And I agree, it’s unfortunate that JoL isn’t attributed to the casting paladin. All i can think is to scan logs and find how much healing the spell does to your raid per boss.

Bear in mind that it overheals quite a lot though. The other poster was pretty unhelpful, but they were also generally correct that melee DPS should be staying full health most of the time.

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Of course they are correct about that :stuck_out_tongue: In a perfect world, only the tanks would take damage.

But you know how 40 man raids are. There are a lot of chuckle-head fury warriors and rogues out there (kidding).

Thanks for your help. Do you have a recommendation for a good healing meter that would let me see people’s self healing?

I’m not very familiar with effective classic mods.

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the healing that JoL is doing is completely negligible.

keeping wisdom up would be more useful for your dps to pump more damage to make the fight shorter.

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Wouldn’t that depend heavily on raid composition?

Also, that doesn’t line up with my experience.

With 15-25 dual wielders in a raid, it seems to add up pretty serviceably.

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no confirmation here but when looking at raid logs it doesnt show “judgement of light” on the healing done for me. just flash of light. i dont think it gets counted towards your healing done.

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I literally looked at your logs. It would be more useful to spam 10 FoL during the entire duration.

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A bunch of tiny heals on people with full health does not contribute to faster kill times in any meaningful way.

Better mana regen on your caster dps means less gcd wasted on life tapping, using mana pots/gems, or evocations, letting your casters do more dps and helping bosses die faster.

If you’re going to waste a debuff slot on a judgement, you should at least waste it on the better judgement.