I’m seeing a lot of huff and puff that “the Horde is dead.” Why? Because they aren’t massacring civilians anymore? Bombing cities into nothing in this reality and all others? Holding on to old, settled grudges from previous generations?
Do Horde players just want to be bad guys? I mean, that’s fine and all. There’s nothing wrong with playing the villain role. Heck, I’d play Empire over Rebellion in Star Wars.
I’m just curious if that’s what the Horde players really want. What does irk me is those acting like monsters while pretending to be righteous. If you’re a bad guy, then be a bad guy. Embrace it.
Since the 4th war ended the factions are fairly loose now. The hostilities are over. The world (of Warcraft) is a better place because of it. We have bigger fish to fry.
For those who genuinely want to play as a villain and really can’t anymore, in WoW, I do feel sympathy for you. That’s bummer. Hopefully they’ll give us some agency to make that choice in the future.
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These don’t need multiple threads. Horde wanting story doesn’t mean wanting to be the bad guys. People are already stating details in other threads.
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idk i just want a good story period lol
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Not having a faction war is not the same as losing faction identity and not having other forms of faction level storytelling
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What’s the purpose of the factions without the war?
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Exactly, let us burn a tree again. For the Horde!
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I don’t want to be the bad guys.
But perhaps the irrational, quick to act guys.
Horde has a level of acting upon basic instincts that has been stripped.
If there’s bad guys in a camp over there, we should bulldoze it. Yes, maybe that actually bites us in the behind down the road. Maybe we could have allied with them or something.
But that’s the Alliance. Not the Horde.
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We just want to be involved in the story. 
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Yeah, sort of. I mean I didn’t roll a crazy zombie to skip across green fields and sing disney songs with woodland critters. Nothing wrong with letting a portion of the game be, not gonna say the bad guy, but the not-so-good guys.
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People like this don’t exactly help the conversation.
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Some horde players want all of us horde players to be the bad guys.
I just wanted a fluffy tail 
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Um… the entire point of WoW all along that set it apart from other generic MMO’s like everquest?
The Horde is what always made WoW different from the rest of the crowd. It was a different take on things, a different aesthetic, a different experience from the usual humans / elves / dwarves fantasy trope.
And Blizzard throws that in the trash (as they are doing) at their peril.
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No. But I also don’t want to be the Alliance. It started with the Undead being mashed in and it was almost all downhill from there.
Monsters in fiction often represent misunderstood underdogs. WarCraft portrayed them as tribal and persecuted, with that heavy metal aesthetic. I don’t think any of those three apply to the present day Horde. And I don’t think any of them require warmongering or murdering, either.
But it should be understandable how that would be someone’s first impression. It’s just that it should be the first impression of Alliance characters - not a mistaken first impression that newbie writers have unfortunately been allowed to run with.
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Considering every time horde is relevant, we’re just the bad guys
I’d like to be relevant and not a bad guy for a change
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Last time that happened was Wrath. Good times, back then.
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It’s kinda cute that the alliance still believe they are the “good” guys.
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I’d honestly like at least SOMETHING of a story. Like I make up my own stories regardless. But its more fun to take bits of what the game is doing and mix it in with my own.
If I’m the one doing all the work, its a tad annoying lol
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The horde was created as a band of rejects that couldn’t survive on their own, then the even more abandoned and rejected forsaken joined.
It’s a club full of people who just want to live in a world where outside forces want them dead and they have found strength together. At least, it was. That’s the Horde I want storytelling to focus on again, but ever since new writing team at blizz took over back in Legion it just became all about “red team = bad/incompetent”.
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Horde wasn’t the villain until BFA.
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I mean, given how badly the Horde was fumbled post-WCIII… the Alliance are undoubtedly the good guys and the Horde are indefensibly the bad guys. That’s how the story is written. The Horde has been complicit in too much to try to defend them credibly. And that’s a shame, because it’s such a sophomoric understanding of who the Horde is by those who should be the caretakers of the lore that led us here.
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