I haven’t even hit end game yet and my guild is talking about raid loot systems. I’m torn between not raiding at all or looking for a new guild that doesn’t use a loot system at all. There just isn’t any reason other that outright greed to implement such a thing.
People that show up to more raids get more gear. I have a job that makes constant participation impossible ( trucker ). When I do take part, I’m putting just as much effort into the raid as the next person. If gear drops that I need I’m gonna roll. I’m not asking, I’m telling. The 1st time someone decides to arbitrarily take loot that I need, without giving me a chance to roll on it, will be the last. You just lost a player forever.
There’s already a fair way to distribute loot. Need on it if it’s an upgrade, greed on it otherwise. Very simple. If luck isn’t with you it’s just not meant to be.
Time invested is a thing. The reason guilds do loot systems is because a lot of people only raid for gear and not guild progress. What is to stop you, or others, from getting that one item you wanted and then not raiding with that guild anymore? Most guilds, not all, want a sense of group accomplishment and a loot council or DKP helps with feeling invested. Every loot system or lack of has its flaws and nothing will be perfect for everyone but having one isn’t selfish in my eyes.
gearing people who will show up 100% of the time is more important for the guild as a whole, classic isn’t a single player game like retail its a group progression experience, its better to gear the more dedicated players you know are loyal to the group so you don’t waste loot
If they are doing anything other than MS > OS and they have people they are always hanging around in game… get ready to have a few bad looting moments. I’m not saying quit the guild, but I am saying you’re going to be 2nd tier.
The funny thing is, despite using loot council and DKP, people still quit and join other guilds, go to other servers, quit the game entirely after getting geard. The loot system just gives people an excuse to funnel gear to their friends before they quit.
Sometimes you just gotta accept reality… no guild is perfect. You either are the person that ran with the guild leader and made friends or you’re the tier 2 that will SOMETIMES have bad loot experiences.
I’d only leave a guild if it happens a few times in a month or is in your face blatantly obvious like they are just asking for you to do something about it.
There are already half a dozen pug raids of MC on my server every Tuesday, and a half a dozen more pugs throughout the week.
For someone like you who can’t always be around, pugging MC and Ony is probably better than raiding with a guild.
There’s no such thing as guild ‘progression’ in Classic, not when MC and Ony are ‘solved’ content that no one should be taking more than 1-2 weeks to full clear and put on farm.
It’s all about gearing up the guild to make the guild stronger so that future raids are faster and eventually they can participate in delicious PvP.
If you’re not able to see why someone with full raid attendance would end up with a piece of gear over you, who might not show up for the next however many weeks, then I dunno what to tell ya man.
Stick to pugs. If a pug group isn’t rolling loot, then there’s a problem. But any guild that rolls out their loot rather than actually looking at participation and investment isn’t really a proper guild imo. They aren’t really a family, which is what a Classic Guild should be.
Let me tell you DKP is the best thing ever if these requirements are met. You have to be in a good/non bias guild. You can’t be super behind on DKP compared to other people who might bid on the same item.
Oh yea… attendance is a must. The reason it’s important is because if you get a gear piece and you don’t show up, but that gear drops again… it’s like the potential pool of candidates never went down.
If that happens enough, regular raiders won’t ever get loot.
DKP is still stupid though. Best to just MS > OS, but still have an attendance policy.
Lol, no, PUG raids are 100% worse than guild raids. Maybe if it was the same group of 40 every pug, but it never is, unless they run an online sign up sheet, and those always turn into guilds anyway
I consider myself an authority on pug runs since I have run 8/10 MC x4 in four different pug runs (with different people/guilds every time) and killed ony in 5 pug runs
The average pug will take about 3-4 hours to kill 8/10 MC, and the average pug has to stop there because they usually don’t have the quest to summon majordomo (I’m almost done with it now). The length of time to finish is due to having to explain every fight at 10-15 min each (all of my pugs had all 40 members in discord), and the rare occasional wipe. What people misunderstand about pugs is that they are scrubs in bad gear that aren’t good. I’d say 80% of the pugs I play with are in full pre-raid bis and are decent-good players
Still, unless you are a Druid, you have usually 5+ (or if u are a mage or war, 7-8+) other people of your class and 99% of the time none have any raid gear. You will be lucky to see 1-2 pieces you want drop, and your chance to win them is below 20%, aka crap. This means that the vast majority of the time, you will completely waste your 3-4 hours gearing people you may not see again with nothing to show for it other than some rep that’s ez to get
I have lost the roll on 8 diff T1 pieces, the T2 helm 2x and the epic bow sinew 4x. Someone else mentioned that pug all needs will gear you at the rate of 2 epics a year. That is actually pretty accurate
And yes, this is sound advice to anyone who’s committed to raiding with their guild.
But for OP, who can’t seem to comprehend why guilds use a loot system that rewards time investment, pugging is probably better for him. That’s all I’m saying.
I think you mean that you can show up to every raid, work your butt off, and the thunderfury goes to the gm’s girlfriend hunter in a loot council system.
There’s a reason we got Personal loot in retail. People kept coming up with increasingly terrible loot systems until Blizzard finally put a stop to it.