What you are allowed to need and greed roll on is based on your specs loot table. Maybe you should learn to put 1 and 1 together to deduce 2?
if a healer can use it, itâs a healer trinket. the problem is you not understanding the loot table.
Theyâre also BIS for healer dps
The function hasnât changed but the means of distribution has.
PL has a hidden roll where you are straight just given a piece from your specs loot table.
GL you are rolling Need, based on your specs table, of all loot that dropped.
Thatâs enough of a difference for people to be more upset. Not going to get into a circular argument over a hidden roll vs. Open roll, but thatâs how I see the current issue.
It definitely stung going for Rashoks Molten Heart last tier only to lose it week after week to DPS in Pugs. They are within their right to roll, it doesnât make it any better to lose that roll to a DPS. With PL it mattered less to me because Iâm not getting openly rolled against, again you can say itâs the same difference but I disagree.
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Thatâs fair, but at least youâre admitting that itâs not an issue of the system being functionally worse, itâs one of you being upset that someone clicked need after the boss rather than joining knowing they were always going to be needing automatically.
Yea itâs just the act of openly rolling that is most of the issue around OPs thread IMO.
Not something you really can solve as itâs not some big issue anyway, itâs just the way loot distribution has evolved over time. Even if I like PL better that isnât going to magically solve all issues related to this thread.
What a disgusting mindset. Fly off.
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âThis guy needs on gear heâll actually use, HoW dIsGuStInG!â
Nah dawg, gonna do me. My condolences.
I actually can see the difference here which is why I do think LFR should still have PL. Itâs impossible to derive intent with a person receiving an item with PL. Sure there is an implicit intent of rolling need with every item and every boss, but that isnât really correct. I can join a raid looking for item A off boss X without any worry about a chance at getting item B off boss Y. Whereas with GL, thereâs no question about my intent to roll when I press need when item B drops off boss Y.
If you could roll need on item B in GL, youâd be able to get it with PL, with no option to even pass on it.
Augury is a lot more than a 1k DPS increase to dps classes. The fact some healers are arguing over a 1k dps increase is ludicrous imo.
Honestly most yall here look hard stuck 2800ish rn and are complaining that your dps is needed to push higher keys when it isnt. Maybe if yall were the 3600 aug pushing 28s needed a tank trinket to do those, sure, but profile stalking yall has shown most to be key level 20-22 andys and are complaining about min/max in the most trivialized season ever.
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You can roll Need on Healers trinkets - you just set your loot spec to Healers.
A lot of players pug raids trying to get specific loot drops - they may be a DPS main thatâs filling a healer role today, but theyâre after a BiS DPS trinket.
A lot of Healers also do Mythic+ and want Damage Trinkets.
In a pug, you roll Need for whatever you want. End of story.
I dont know if I saw anyone say that.
1k more dps than any of their other trinket options, itâs about 9k dps in total on single target (And does AoE which root does not). Suncaller is at worst about 11k but has significantly more value due to its burst options.
It is implied because so many of you are insistent that you need to deal damage to push higher keys⌠when yall aint pushing those higher keys. Iâm not even pushing higher keys.
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Iâll just clarify on this Iâve never said these things are necessary for the players that are likely looking for them, just that they are useful and can reasonably considered desirable items for their main spec, as well as provided some examples of similar useful items from previous tiers and their estimated current values.
I am not implying any of that.
My entire argument is this :
Does it make me perform better in a group? Yes / No
Will I equip it for my main spec? Yes / No
If those answers are âyesâ, then I will target it. It has nothing to do with saying I am required to deal damage to push higher keys. But its based on me seeing that its better for me, regardless of what key level I get to.
âYou arent pushing keys high enough to need this lootâ is just a mindset I wont get into. Because of how overly vague that statement is, and how it can be applied to everyone else about everything.
glad someone called this out,
so many of them think âhighâ keys is 20âsâŚand Iâm over here like yâall think healers are DPSiâng in 26+'s? yâall are barely doing 20âs
Why would I stop dpsing when I go to a 26? (In fact, more dps will probably be required.)
Considering taking more dps talents because timed Throne of the Tides on a 23 with 7 seconds to spare.
Iâm enjoying my Belorâelos and Nymues, THANKS!