Disabled people and Addon as assistive tech in Midnight

Hey folks.

While I think that reducing some addons that hand hold people through combat might make the game more enjoyable (since the base challenge can be defined without taking them into account) there is something that is giving me pause.

As a disabled player I do rely on SUF to make character portraits bigger and more visible, on Bartender -because the in game version is not as good to shape the buttons like my assistive device and the eventual weakaura sound if I happen to be unable to see clearly an ability or a buff.

While I dont use dbm/gtfo since I find them too busy and annoying. As a raid lead, things like MRT are very good at displaying useful information and saving group setups and such.

It seems like Microsoft is trying to make WoW into a console friendly game and in doing so its ruining part of it.

The other consideration is that the popularity of wow lands in how much effort the community itself put into it. Video guides , machinimas and also , yes addons.

So while I like the idea that the encounters no longer feature in the possibility of addons that trivialize it, I think that the current approach is disregarding these two aspects.

In reality a player like me or you making a nameplate or a character portrait bigger or more visible, displaying the numbers in a different manner or making a sound if a cd is on wont really influence anyone or any encounter in a negative manner, conversely , the absence of these UI/cosmetic modifications will negatively impact and perhaps make it not feasible for some folks who might even be more severely disabled than myself to play a game they been playing for many years.

I hope blizz takes it easier , I love the game and been playing since vanilla, became disabled less than a decade ago but gladly can still play comfortably due to the free time and effort given by other fans who make some of these addons.

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Good grief, why do you need an add on for this? I think in options there is a slider for ui scale and I think in options’combat/name plates you can get large nameplates.

i am not sure if Edit Mode has anything to enlarge portraits , but I will look for you.

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Why do you care what people need for accessibility? It doesn’t affect you at all.

Do you go complain to people wheelchair ramps exist, complain the grates on sidewalks that help blind people exist, etc.?

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No , I am complaining about a stupid add on they don’t need.
options/accessibility/general has the name slider, you can make names GINOURMOUS all by yourself without a third party program.

Edit mode click on the " Player frame" ui with your characters picture and a slider will appear and you can make the player portraits any size you want , ditto clicking on the chat window ui and the action bar ui , then click " save as " and name it " my settings ’ or whatever you want ,

And all you will ever have to do is open edit mode on your alt and click " my settings ’ and it will make them all large and remember it forever!

I admit it takes a few minutes of your life to do this, but it is probably better than putting in a third party program that probably reports to god knows where Asia.

I don’t need to download garbage from the internet to have a wheelchair ramp and of course I don;t complain about them.

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it’s interesting how games try to accommodate disabilities in a way that affects everyone.
it’s not like that IRL. not every basketball player is forced to play in a wheelchair because some people have to. it’s instead split into categories… which games dont do for some reason.

idk, just something to think about i guess.

Stop trying to hide under the disabled curtain. None of the combat addons were done with them in mind. Addons weren’t made to make the game accessible, they were made so you can optimize your sweatiness.

Addons as a rule GATEKEEP, they do not make anything viable for the average joe. Be Io scores, gearscores, realm blacklist, blacklist addon, ignore account addons etc etc etc

It got soo absurd to the point everyone demand you to have addons to join raids, basically devleopers did lose the control over their own project.

1 button assist did more for the disabled than any addon ever did and will ever do.

And the fact they are removing addons, plus reducing the overall amount of Buttons with prunes is also better for people with disabilities than doing MORE addons that DO NOT CARE about them.

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Dudes , I totally used Edit mode to use " classic’ mode and scale my ui’s as I am VERY nearsighted. I just feel If a dufus like me can figure it out , anybody can.

That’s not how addons work, but stay irrationally mad I guess.

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And I’m sure you’re the guy dying 200 times in mythic plus while doing 300k less dps than they should be while being carried by randos LOL. Seriously? Sound alerts visual alerts aren’t “hand holding” it’s mid maxing your time and taking the least amount of damage as possible while doing something. I’m not officially disabled or anything but I have poor eyesight (limited near and far distance) so sound alerts help me stay out of things or use a cd when I should. World First Racers use DBM/Big Wigs and massive amounts of weak auras and Blizzard basically makes mythic bosses that require them in order to keep up with the 100 things it does. When there’s 20 people running all over the place avoiding things hitting or targeting them, anything visual is helpful, especially if taking a hit means death and 1 death means a wipe on progression. But I’m sure you’ve never actually stepped into that level of raiding to understand this.

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Well the positive is now that they are removing access for combat addons they can reduce the power creep and multiple steps they have to implement in raid/mythic bosses to combat the hundreds of addons that could tivialize their content. That makes it easier for people so they don’t need addons to keep track of all that stuff since Blizzard doesn’t need to put it in to combat addons which in turn will make it easier for people while still allowing them to make content for the crown that complains they make things too easy.

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No its like someone crying they dont have a wheelchair ramp when theres literally one two feet from where they have their add-on built.

The wow UI can be changed to increase sizing. It is a pointless add-on.

But heck the QOL add-ons should be left alone all the same.

Maybe not, but someone still had to ADD it ON to the building/curb for it to exist.

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Because those people’s game get affected even if they don’t use addons.

Blizzard has specifically said, they have to make fights with combat addons in mind.

Of course people don’t have to use addons if they don’t want to.

But everyone’s game will be affected because the fights are made harder for everyone, not just those who use addons.

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That isn’t entirely accurate. “Testers” trawling around looking for small businesses that aren’t 100% in compliance with the ADA (which is virtually impossible to be fully in compliance), so they can grift and shake them down for money, has a direct monetary impact on everyone as businesses have to pass the cost of that grifting on to the public.

IE: Jim’s hardware store has a website, and it’s notoriously almost impossible to make websites/apps fully ADA compliant, so they have to pay a different kind of grifter, an accessibility consultant, to be able to show a court that they made a good faith effort to be accessible, so the first type of grifter can’t shake them down.

You don’t get to tell people what accessibility they do or don’t need.

“Sorry, person walking with a cane, you don’t need that, lemme just take it from you.”

That’s you.

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Bartender should still work if they only limit cooldown functions to using secret values.

Then ask for better in game solutions. It’s not going to be in the addons if it relies on making combat decisions based on logic. The encounters are as crazy as they are in part BECAUSE of what the addons do to trivialize mechanics.

That’s a problem for me I don’t want every part of my UI to be gigantic. I need some things to be big and others to be out of the way

@Blizz
So what about people with actual vision issues? Like PVL …on screen visuals don’t really help with people like that, and making your UI comically large doesn’t help either.
Specifically this was solved with weak auras to play audible pings when combo points were ready. And not knowing that info severely impacts gameplay.
So just wondering what is the justification for removing things like that without any plan in place to replace it? (And we checked…you DONT have one).