Did these Ele Shaman calculations in another thread, 3.5k Lava Bursts and 2.5k Lightning Bolts

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Current Elemental Shamans with BiS gear at 40 have around 200-210 Spell power…I calculated this off gear from warcraftlogs . Add the +300 spell power obtained from the new Rune from double RB…now we are looking at Current level 40 Shamans with the Rune sitting around 510 spell power…now lets get into the spell power calculations.

Chain Lightning - 2.5/3.5 - 71.42%

Lightning Bolt - 3/3.5 - 85.71%

These coefficients represent the % damage added to the spell based off Spell power.

So lightning bolt at 400 damage + 20 extra damage from the talent 5% (this could potentially be calculated after the coefficient is applied) will hit for:

420+(510 x .8571) = 857 Non-Crit

Now lets check the Crit on it. 857x2 = 1714 damage crit on a single Lightning Bolt cast while the minute buff is up (this isn’t even including your Overload proc)

So total damage with Overload is now 1714+(1714x.5) = 2571 damage on 1 single cast of Lightning Bolt.

Now lets do Chain Lightning.

459 (with 5% buff) base damage.

459+(510 x .7142) = 823 Non Crit

823 x 2 = 1646 crit and then at 50% from Overload 1646+(1646x.5) = 2469

Your FIRST target on the chain lightning will take 2469, 2nd target takes 1728, 3rd target 1209, 4th will take 846

So for one SINGLE Chain Lightning you will do a total of 6252 …

Lava Burst now.

742+(510 x .8571) = 1179 Non Crit

1179 x 2 = 2358 crit and then at 50% from Overload 2358+(2358x.5) = 3537

Now also lets take into account this is with CURRENT GEAR and CURRENT Level…so these numbers will ALL go WAY up.

EDIT: Also if you see an issue with the math, let me know. I’ve already revised these calculations a few times so anything to help if you catch something would be appreciated.

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Good thing priests got a really cool rune that relies on an unused spell to refresh a dot (huh?).

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Shamans absolutely are coming out as BiS in Phase 3 with the Runes. (Although I really really don’t think things will stay the same with the new Helm Rune for Shaman…it’s just way too easy to break the game with this kind of spell power scaling).

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The new Earth Shock Lightning Shield rune should add more dmg in as well. I have no idea what the spell coefficients on those are, but another fun button to push regardless.

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Oh mannnnn, you’re pulling me away from my engineering job right now with these calculations…But they are so fun, so one second lol.

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Ayy I’m slacking off on my engineering job as well!

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I’m not going to check your math on it because I don’t care enough until we see it, so going on if it does happen as you have laid out, I suspect it will be adjusted accordingly, probably with a reduction to the buff time from 1min to 5 seconds to scrape off the elemental/resto shaman abuse of the interaction.

They might even do that before P3 drops. (I recall MSW only reducing Cast time in the initial datamine for P2 which would’ve made it useless to Shamans, but also reducing mana cost when P2 dropped, which made it useful.)

That said:
With all the theorycrafting out there about Shamans as they are now, they’re supposed to be the top DPS in every category by a huge margin with no contenders, and that just isn’t born out in the Logs, so we’ll have to wait and see.

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Ok so

154 damage per Lightning shield charge, new rune says 9 charges and ALL charges together if they were released actually have a 100% spell power coefficient…in the old way they functioned with 3 charges it was 33% for each. But if you’re releasing all at once I’m assuming it’s 100% (This could be very very wrong).

(154x9)+(510x1) = 1896 non-crit (I’m not sure if this can crit)

Now lets see if they can crit, this would be 1896x2 = 3792

NOW Finally lets add the Earth Shock damage LOL…Ok so…

394+(510x.4071) = 601 non crit
601x2 = 1202 Crit

So lets add this to the Lightning Shield bomba.

1202+3792 = 4994 TOP End damage possible.

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Yeah Ele stocks are looking good but it is definitely getting nerfed lol. No way this goes live if the numbers are even close to accurate.

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100% this is getting nerfed or changed or both lol. With current numbers and this isn’t even like trying to perfect parse/sim…this is simply calculating a buff popping from a melee auto and once it does you can get a cast, or an instant off lol.

I might calculate that Rune with the LOWEST possible damage if I take the potential LOWEST spellpower coefficient from each lightning charge…this will def be significantly lower since I’ll use how they calculated each Lightning orb before.

So with 9 charges it would be 11% coefficient for each individual charge. This equals out to roughly 100% all together.

So
154+(510x.11) = 210.1

210.1 x 9 = 1890 damage on the shock…oh wait…this is the exact same damage, I’m dumb…ok so even worst case scenario this crap is gonna TRUCK LOL

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857 non crit and 1714 crit with around a 25% crit chance = 25% of the difference between the two = 857+ 214= 1071 avg

Now add in an overload proc with the same crit and half dmg = 1071 x 1.5 = 1606.

Now 50% chance is 50% of the difference between the two, or 1338. Divided by 2s cast time is about 669 dps just from lightning bolt alone. Whatever you think this number is (high or low) is your own conclusion.

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Very true, depending on the spell. If we use Lava Burst in this example, it’s ALWAYS a guarenteed Crit of 3.5k.

Also Ele Shamans have 2x crit modifier not 1.5k

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Well, still 50% chance it overloads.

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True, it could not Overload which would be a “reasonable” hit lol. 2.3k Reasonable hit.

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The crit modifier was already in his original calcs. The 50% is just dmg with an overload proc with average damage of LB.

Now if you have lava burst with 8s cd and 2s cast time and always critting at what 3500 dmg ish, thats 3500/2= 1750 dps.

So correct me if im wrong but its 4 LB roughly per 1 LvB with a 2s time on each? So youd get 20% of the dps from LvB and 80% from LB so itd be

E= 0.21750+0.8669= 885 dps.

Not including flame shock in this but still, very rough.

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Yea also not including the new Bracer rune which I calculated once it builds to 9 stacks COULD hit for 4.9k damage (This is all 9 Lightning shield charges + earth shock…although it does have them critting…which I’m not sure if that’s possible)

Without the crit on Bracer rune buffing Earthshock to extreme levels it would be around 3k instant damage if you crit with the Earthshock along with the Lightning Shield explosion.

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One thing to know is chain lightning and chain heal both don’t get a flat 50% chance to overload like lightning bolt and healing wave. It’s 50% for the overall spell so each hit of chain lightning Is only a 16% chance to overload - even if single target. Also every spell unless they get lucky with a proc has to be hard casted. Elemental is very easy to shut down in classic.

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That’s interesting, I didn’t know this. So while POSSIBLE all 4 Chain lightnings can Overload, it’s really not likely to happen.

I mean yea, most casters have to cast though. I’m not saying anything about PvE or PvP here. I’m just stating the possible damage per spell we are looking at with the new Rune and Eles next patch.

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That shaman rune looks insane yea. Probably will pop dps above 1100 for sure.

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Even shaman are wanting this nerfed upfront because if it goes live it’ll be star surged. Lava burst will be hitting for 300.