They may not have been called tidesages but is there any indication of Theramore having something like them?
Hydromancers maybe?
Just trying a little story involving my Kul’tiran shaman and was wondering if it’d be possible for him to have been a citizen of Theramore.
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no, i don’t think so but i think that is because is a new concept-retconned.
but i think that is possible to have your shaman being a citizen of theramore hmm, maybe a kultiran that joined after daelin’s death? i don’t remember if the forces that went to hyjal with jaina had some kultirans in there.
but yeah, it is possible.
after all jaina was basically the princess.
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Theramore was not made up of Kul Tirans, despite the banner Jaina made. It was primarily Lordaeron humans, dwarves, and high elves who chose to follow Jaina after she was warned by the Prophet. The only Kul Tiran presence was as an enemy force in WC3, when Daelin invaded. It’s possible that your character could have chosen to switch sides and help Jaina instead of Kul Tiras, but there was no concrete canon presence of any Kul Tirans, or tidesages, in the city.
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It may get retconned in reforged but didnt Jaina take remenants of multiple human kingdoms with her.
Darius sent a force of Gilneans with her and if i remember there was also a Kul’tiran force in one of the orc missions.
You could have your character be a Kul Tiran that escapes to Theramore after Daelin’s defeat and later became a Tidesage.
However, it does not seem like Tidesages in general were ever a thing until BFA.
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There were definitely Kul Tirans amongst her forces in Theramore. First of all there was the Kul Tiras Elite Corps present as part of the Human Expedition forces (including the Gilneas Brigade, Stromgarde Brigade and Lordaeron Corps) in Stonetalon during “Cry of the Warsong”, second there was Colonel Lorena from Cycle of Hatred who was a former member of the Kul Tiras City Guard and guarded a keep back in Kul Tiras (presumed to be Proudmoore Keep since she has a relative in Boralus, Tiran Blackwood, to whom Jaina personally delivers a memento from the late Lorena in 8.1.) before joining the Human Expedition and later the Theramore Guard. Third of all, many of the Theramore Deserters are described as ex-Kul Tiras marines, and they specifically refer to the “glory days” as being under Daelin Proudmoore. Some of them even used to have Kul Tiras tabards before they were changed to Theramore tabards in a later update.
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Theramore Hydromancers defended the city in A Blaze of Glory. They emerged from Arcane Sanctums controlled by the Theramore Guard. I think its safe to assume they could represent mages or tidesages.
https://wow.gamepedia.com/A_Blaze_of_Glory_(WC3_Orc)
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Theramore_Guard
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There’s as much argument for Tidesages being a Frost Mage variant as shaman.
Prior to BfA, our actual knoweldge of Kul Tiras was pretty weak. They were the island nation with a bunch of ships in the second war. They got thrashed in the Third at sea and retreated, then the attack on Durotar happened.
In Vanilla, they held a small, unsupported keep in Durotar, with plans from Kul Tiras to send more- then the Catacylsm killed them all.
And now, we’re on the islands and see all the detail they’ve built into it. Since we knew nothing of Tidesages the like prior to this, we can pretty much interpret their water-shooting magic guys how we like.
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I’m pretty sure I remember reading that Jaina also took some Kul Tiran ships in Lordaeron to Kalimdor with her. Before Daelin came. Lordaeornians were probably the majority of Theramore’s population but I would think there was a sizeable minority of Kul Tirans.
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Most of Theramore citizen are from Lordaeron, not Kul Tiras. So, I don’t think there is no tidesage in Theramore
It shouldn’t put anyone’s lore nose out of joint to pass this background if they’re going to excuse people waking around claiming to be Dragons.
Or writing background diaries which are Harlequin Romances with Anduin.
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I would still suggest that a Frost Mage is a better option because it gives you the Water Elemental and with the Storms Wake Glyph you can even get the same appearance.
This is correct.
Up until the Cataclysm, there was also a permanent garrison of Kul Tiran Sailors and Marines at Tiragarde Keep very close to Northwatch Hold. I have a hard time believing that there would be no contact between the garrison and Northwatch, even if it’s not explicitly stated during questing.
There were no casters of any type at this garrison, so I think it’s same to assume that any Tidesages who may have been part of Daelin Proudmoore’s fleet either died in the battle or returned to Kul Tiras and were part of the group of survivors who brought the news of Jaina’s betrayal.
As far as there not being any Kul Tirans as part of the Human Expedition as stated by a different poster - this is absolutely incorrect.
I can’t post links, but google the “Cry of the Warsong” mission in Warcraft 3. They were part of the expedition together with the survivors of Lordaeron, the Gilneas Brigade and the Stromgarde Brigade.
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Keep in mind that that happened before Kul Tiras left the Alliance. It’s possible that Kul Tiras might have pulled their Hydromancers (and everything else they had) out of Jaina’s hands when Jaina retook Theramore.
As for the presence of Kul Tirans among Jaina’s forces in “Cry of the Warsong”, it’s quite possible that Thrall and Grom might have wiped them out, since we never see them among Jaina’s men after that chapter.
Thematically, both frost mages and shamans fit the tide sage role. I’d argue the shaman more so. Frost mages can summon water elementals.
Resto shamans class mount is a water elemental. Tide sages also control the wind and storm, which resto shamans do as well.
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Tidesages take themes and elements from Priests, Shamans and Mages and combine it into something similar, but also unique and different from all three.
They have the religious and monastic culture of Priests, and a strong emphasis on restorative magics.
They wield the power of the elements like Shamans. Water, Wind, Lightning, and to a lesser extent Earth/Stone based spells. There is a notable absence of Fire magic.
They use several spells commonly associated with Frost Mages such as using a water elemental, ice bolts, frost novas. They are also capable of opening and sustaining portals, just like mages.
So I think to try and isolate Tidesages to one of the three is a mistake - they’re part Priest, part Shaman, part Mage. They’re like a hybrid of the three. You could convincingly RP a Tidesage using any of the three classes IMO.
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Not necessarily. There were ex-Kul Tiran personnel amongst the Theramore Guard already, namely Colonel Lorena, Balos Jackren, Lieutenant Paval Reethe, Private Hendel and several Theramore deserters. Meaning they chose to remain behind rather than rejoining Kul Tiran forces, whether on the mainland or even just at the nearby Tiragarde Keep where the remnants of Daelin’s forces continued forwards with their invasion plans.
So I believe that logically it’s entirely within the realm of possibility and plausibility as a character concept for a Kul Tiran tidesage to have chosen to remain behind at Theramore out of their own volition, given that there’s precedence for the idea of several Kul Tirans not returning to their homeland after Daelin’s death.
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If I were Adm. Proudmoore going across the sea to kill me some horde, I would take at least one tidesage. And maybe that tidesage was like “I don’t like having these old hatreds in my heart and so forth; therefore, I’m joining lady jaina now.” So, I say it’s probably possible.
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Like I’ve said…anyone that’s been willing to put up with players presenting themselves as Dragons, San’a layn, and the like, you have no buisness critiquing someone who wants to do this
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