Blizzard’s version would be a story about Baine, Valeera, and Calia teaming up to save an off-screen Anduin.
Horde Players would indeed be like “you call THAT Horde focus?”
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I realize you are just trying to come up with a ‘Oh, Horde is such a victim’ narrative. And I bet you think that was really clever.
But, the part that is really funny is when we look at history:
I remember this expac that was all about saving a certain Shaman, going to his wedding, and empowering him so he could save the world. All while also doing cut and paste Horde quests as Alliance because they never bothered to write any for the Alliance. Then there was this other expac where it all hinged on this single orc who was our only chance to stop Sylvanas.
Look, if you had made a joke about being villain batted it would have been eye rolling, but not completely idiotic. At least that way there would have been some connection to actually valid Horde side complaints. But Blizzard has released multiple expacs that were all Horde focused, Horde dominated, and the Alliance was just along for the ride. Which make your victim signaling so very, very sad.
I didn’t, I just thought of an example of a Horde cast with Alliance off screen that would get alot of complaints. Not particularly clever, it was your suggestion.
That’s nice of you to bet on my self esteem, though.
I would never bet that you thought your posts were clever. No one could.
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And that was your problem. You were so busy trying to play the victim, trying to pretend Blizzard has it out for the Horde, that you said something stupid.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit I take it. I said I bet you thought it was clever, not that it was.
Oh, I am sure you have self esteem. I have no doubt you believe you are clever.
I am not going to set here trading insults though. You can be upset or realize your mistake. It is up to you. But I am not wasting any more time on it.
Wow I have to say Merìngue and some of you in this Story forums, tireless dedication to keep a forum conversation is well… impressive! The only one who I saw do that was Zerde when specific Alliance disputes were going on… but you sirs/ladies are very well verse in keeping up and replying to almost everything being thrown!
I could mention others here too but… How you guys muster the energy?
I can barely keep up and usually like does who respond to me or I like to use as a reference later to carefully read it again later, to look up the info or just appreciate their ideas or inspiration… I just sometime can’t keep up! Its Impressive, you and others to be able to keep a conversation this long without insults flying in this time and age! bravo… it makes it so much easier to read everyone’s feedback, so keep it up all of you. Very good reads!
Ok sorry to derail the conversation, but I just had to say it… I’ll leave you guys to your current discussion.
Derailment is pretty much a given. 
Conversations change and jump around. I think it is pretty rare that a conversation stays on primary topic for very long. That is the nature of the forums.
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That is a stupid thing to say.
This creature says this…. in the same post it says ….
Your hypocrisy and blindness to your own actions is evident.
I won’t even start to imagine reasons why you say stupid things, but you can sit there… or “set there” as you say… and imagine things about me, if it tickles your fancy.
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You know saying your are playing the victim is not actually an insult, right?
It is actually pretty common when someone is upset by something or doesn’t like something. They look for reasons. And see themselves are victims and want the comfort of others telling them they are. It is pretty human to do. But it is also wrong. And it leads you to making pretty blatant mistakes and mischaracterization, often really stupid ones. It clouds your view and makes you look at anything in the future for how it might, maybe, could, possibly be bad. It is a bad thing to do, but mostly just because it hurts you. It is a bad practice, but it is not an insult to say you are doing it.
Deep breaths, relax. Blizzard does not have it out for the Horde. Blizzard is not trying to ruin the game for you.
I’m busy farming gold for mounts. Carry on.
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You are ascribing disagreement to stupidity.
I mean, I was generally polite in any disagreement with you, but you said:
Which, fine, you want to trade barbs, go ahead… but then you say :
Your little jab about “playing the victim” is more nonsense from you. However, you are suggesting people are saying “stupid” things … while you are saying stupid things.
This is a stupid thing to say :
That is a stupid thing to say. When it comes to the meaning of stupid, you say truly say stupid things.
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No I am not. That is you reading something into it.
Let me make it clear for you.
Saying something you said is stupid is not the same thing as saying you are stupid.
In fact I made it pretty clear that I think the reason you said something stupid was you were blinded by the victim mentality, not because you were stupid. I honestly don’t know you well enough to determine if you are or aren’t stupid. I know what you said was stupid and I know it was very clearly victim signally. Not hard to put those two things together. Trying to play the victim leads to blindly rushing into things without thinking, which leads to saying stupid things.
Again:
What you said was stupid.
That doesn’t mean you are.
Yea, you are.
As I said, you are a hypocrite who seems to ignore its own words.
There, again - you are ascribing a “stupid comment” to “trying to pretend” something. Do you understand that you are not just calling the comment stupid - you are ascribing some falsehood to Blizzard’s intentions.
You are basically fabricating a reason, and then calling a comment stupid based on how you fabricated it.
I didn’t say Blizzard “has it out for the Horde” - that is you making an assumption and ascribing stupidity to a comment based off of your own hypocrisy.
I never said Blizzard “has it out for the Horde” - you have the reading comprehension problem.
Blizzard might actually think they are doing the Horde a favor by making a Baine, Calia and Valeera story. With no malice.
And that is the why Horde Players would complain.
You are the one who imagined Blizzard “having it out for the Horde”
Oh no. I never said that. That is in your jumbled excuse for a mind. Blizzard might actually make that story thinking the Horde would like it. Without malice.
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I doubted it because… why would that Gnome Forum Troll make a big deal about going away… only to come back and Troll on another Gnome?
But… both those posters do post horribly wrong nonsense.
After repeated conversation… I wouldn’t be surprised if they were one and the same, with different names
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He was never bashful about being wrong.
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The fixation on the Saurfang cinematics is what sent off alarm bells.
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Thought experiment, because I’m curious. Would this bug you as much if they had not made the Horde so evil, or made them inflict less damage on the Alliance?
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Fair.
First, let me clarify something to make sure we are on the same page. That is less of something that really bugs me and more an mild annoyance at inconsistent story and writing. I brought it up because they present the NPC reaction as thought Horde and Alliance were equally to blame, or at least close to equally. That means Blizzard thought they were telling a story about both sides being the problem. They thought they were telling a morally grey story. But that is not the story that we actually got.
One of two things happened:
- Blizzard just didn’t even think about the Alliance perspective at all and so it never occurred to them that there was any inconsistency there.
- Blizzard painted themselves into a corner because they wrote, designed, and implemented the Horde story, quests, and campaign first. They had no room for the Alliance to do anything notable because the story was already set without the Alliance doing anything and they didn’t have time/resources for a rewrite of the already set Horde story. But they wanted the same themes and didn’t want to point it all at Horde players, so the left them in for all players.
I tend to lean towards thinking it is #2.
This is a mild annoyance because of consistency of writing. Not to mention the face palm moments. MoP’s whole both sides are bad because ‘you should only fight to protect your home and loved ones’ rings a little odd with Theramore being a crater.
So, again, this is less of something in particular that bugs me. Just more of a mild annoyance. But it does show Blizzard thought they were being, or intended to be more, even handed.
But to your question: Would it be less annoying if the win/losses were more equal? If the Horde had not been nuking cities?
Short answer: Yes.
If both sides were taking relatively equal losses. If the cause of the wars was less egregious. If wiping out the Alliance was not part of the stated Horde agenda. Then, yes. It would have made more sense, story wise, to say, ‘Hey, you shouldn’t have been fighting.’ The biggest issue with their ‘both sides are bad’ approach is that it rings hollow when one side is literally trying to wipe out the other, and is generally shown as winning.
In both faction wars Blizzard was so fixated on the story that they they were trying to tell about the Horde that they mostly ignored the Alliance while crafting it, then just fit the Alliance in where they could. As a result they missed huge opportunities that would have made the story much better for both Horde and Alliance players.
Hypocrites rarely do 
… Nor do narcissists 
As for deciphering which category matches what person of said-context (ignoring their own words, yet expecting others to strictly adhere to the semantics of them, with a various set of rules they also neglect) — Now that’s the challenge 
Albeit in some cases found, it happens to be both lol
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