In DC Comics, Lex Luthor escaped the death of Krytonite poisoning (from the Greek K ring he always wore) by having his brain placed into a clone body and then passed himself off as his son.
There's some text about Nathanos Blightcaller getting himself a new body and that body was his son's? What's the skinny on that?
Nathanos did not take the body of his son, he doesn't have a son (that we know of). Sylvanas kidnapped Nathanos's cousin, an Argent Crusade paladin, and used the Val'kyr to perform a ritual to use his body to restore Nathanos. There was basically nothing left of his cousin after it.
that was also the only time i think blightcaller has ever felt guilt10/31/2018 09:46 AMPosted by GrandbladeNathanos did not take the body of his son, he doesn't have a son (that we know of). Sylvanas kidnapped Nathanos's cousin, an Argent Crusade paladin, and used the Val'kyr to perform a ritual to use his body to restore Nathanos. There was basically nothing left of his cousin after it.
10/31/2018 09:52 AMPosted by Withpuppysthat was also the only time i think blightcaller has ever felt guilt10/31/2018 09:46 AMPosted by GrandbladeNathanos did not take the body of his son, he doesn't have a son (that we know of). Sylvanas kidnapped Nathanos's cousin, an Argent Crusade paladin, and used the Val'kyr to perform a ritual to use his body to restore Nathanos. There was basically nothing left of his cousin after it.
Regret actually. He is in a human paladin's body, I would regret that too.
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10/31/2018 09:46 AMPosted by GrandbladeNathanos did not take the body of his son, he doesn't have a son (that we know of). Sylvanas kidnapped Nathanos's cousin, an Argent Crusade paladin, and used the Val'kyr to perform a ritual to use his body to restore Nathanos. There was basically nothing left of his cousin after it.
You said there was nothing left of his cousin. Did they obliterate his cousins soul or something? Because if they obliterated his cousins soul, an Argent Crusade Paladin, just so Nathanos, who already had a body, could have a better one... that's one heck of a jerk move.
Hey, shut up.10/31/2018 10:00 AMPosted by Mellow<span class="truncated">...</span>that was also the only time i think blightcaller has ever felt guilt
Regret actually. He is in a human paladin's body, I would regret that too.
I don't know what the ritual exactly did to Stephon Marris, but when Nathanos looked over, he was just entirely gone, save for some ash and oily residue.10/31/2018 10:07 AMPosted by BipziYou said there was nothing left of his cousin. Did they obliterate his cousins soul or something? Because if they obliterated his cousins soul, an Argent Crusade Paladin, just so Nathanos, who already had a body, could have a better one... that's one heck of a jerk move.
if i remember he felt pride that his cousin followed his dream10/31/2018 10:00 AMPosted by Mellow10/31/2018 09:52 AMPosted by Withpuppys...that was also the only time i think blightcaller has ever felt guilt
Regret actually. He is in a human paladin's body, I would regret that too.
when nathanos looked over to where his cousin used to be, there was only ash don't know what happened to his soul10/31/2018 10:07 AMPosted by Bipzi10/31/2018 09:46 AMPosted by GrandbladeNathanos did not take the body of his son, he doesn't have a son (that we know of). Sylvanas kidnapped Nathanos's cousin, an Argent Crusade paladin, and used the Val'kyr to perform a ritual to use his body to restore Nathanos. There was basically nothing left of his cousin after it.
You said there was nothing left of his cousin. Did they obliterate his cousins soul or something? Because if they obliterated his cousins soul, an Argent Crusade Paladin, just so Nathanos, who already had a body, could have a better one... that's one heck of a jerk move.
10/31/2018 10:07 AMPosted by BipziYou said there was nothing left of his cousin. Did they obliterate his cousins soul or something? Because if they obliterated his cousins soul, an Argent Crusade Paladin, just so Nathanos, who already had a body, could have a better one... that's one heck of a jerk move.
Not that I'm condoning body swapping, but I think it's worth noting that Stephon (Nathanos' cousin) isn't entirely blameless.
Despite being a supposedly neutral Paladin of the Argent Dawn/Crusade, he intentionally hunted down Forsaken after learning what Nathanos had become. So it isn't a case of "Sylvanas kidnaps innocent Paladin for his hot bod.".
Again, it's still pretty twisted what they did. But I do think it's a worthwhile tidbit to keep relevant.
10/31/2018 10:21 AMPosted by Hackbrew10/31/2018 10:07 AMPosted by BipziYou said there was nothing left of his cousin. Did they obliterate his cousins soul or something? Because if they obliterated his cousins soul, an Argent Crusade Paladin, just so Nathanos, who already had a body, could have a better one... that's one heck of a jerk move.
Not that I'm condoning body swapping, but I think it's worth noting that Stephon (Nathanos' cousin) isn't entirely blameless.
Despite being a supposedly neutral Paladin of the Argent Dawn/Crusade, he intentionally hunted down Forsaken after learning what Nathanos had become. So it isn't a case of "Sylvanas kidnaps innocent Paladin for his hot bod.".
Again, it's still pretty twisted what they did. But I do think it's a worthwhile tidbit to keep relevant.
I just read the short story.
Then I began hearing stories of a horror called the Blightcaller haunting the Marris stead, hunting down heroes of the Alliance who sought to restore peace. I feared this was the creature that murdered Nathanos, and I vowed to take its head. It was only when I overheard two refugees of Darrowshire whisper the fiend's true name that I learned what you had become."
Stephon let his words hang in the air. "And on that day, I threw the coin into the river." He spat upon the stone floor.
Nathanos stood silent. There was no reason to deny the truth.
I'm just going to say this. Nathanos, who knew that the Argent Crusade, after the death of the LK has moved to the Plaguelands to try and restore that land and fight the undead, knowingly killed people trying to help heal the area.
The Plaguelands was not, and isn't Horde territory. Of COURSE he was going to draw their ire. Do you really think the Crusade is going to tolerate an Undead killing people that are trying to help them cleanse the Plaguelands, a non-horde territory? Come on... The Crusade would have killed Alliance members that where killing Horde volunteers as well. Lets not play like Nathanos was innocent here, his own internal monologue says he is guilty.
10/31/2018 11:01 AMPosted by BipziI'm just going to say this. Nathanos, who knew that the Argent Crusade, after the death of the LK has moved to the Plaguelands to try and restore that land and fight the undead, knowingly killed people trying to help heal the area
That was HIS HOUSE! Since he was alive it was his house.
technically it was the marris house, a name nathanos has forsook10/31/2018 11:16 AMPosted by Mellow10/31/2018 11:01 AMPosted by BipziI'm just going to say this. Nathanos, who knew that the Argent Crusade, after the death of the LK has moved to the Plaguelands to try and restore that land and fight the undead, knowingly killed people trying to help heal the area
That was HIS HOUSE! Since he was alive it was his house.
10/31/2018 11:22 AMPosted by Withpuppystechnically it was the marris house, a name nathanos has forsook10/31/2018 11:16 AMPosted by Mellow...
That was HIS HOUSE! Since he was alive it was his house.
Sure, in game its called Marris Stead, but that doesn't make it not his house.
10/31/2018 11:16 AMPosted by Mellow10/31/2018 11:01 AMPosted by BipziI'm just going to say this. Nathanos, who knew that the Argent Crusade, after the death of the LK has moved to the Plaguelands to try and restore that land and fight the undead, knowingly killed people trying to help heal the area
That was HIS HOUSE! Since he was alive it was his house.
Umm....
He had lingered at the farm on orders from his queen, luring her enemies to the slaughter.
Stop trying to paint him innocently. You are literally arguing with his own internal monologue.
It was a body swap? I thought that the val'kyr just took the material from the body to reform a new body for Nathanos altogether rather than just body swap because Nathanos is still decidedly dead. If they body swapped, Nathanos would suddenly be in a living man's body wouldn't he?
10/31/2018 11:26 AMPosted by BipziStop trying to paint him innocently. You are literally arguing with his own internal monologue
Nobody painted him as innocent, but why would he not kill the alliance?
I'm pretty sure Nathanos agrees that he's guilty of what Stephon's accusing. Not sorry, but he knows what he did.10/31/2018 11:25 AMPosted by MellowSure, in game its called Marris Stead, but that doesn't make it not his house.
10/31/2018 11:01 AMPosted by BipziI'm just going to say this. Nathanos, who knew that the Argent Crusade, after the death of the LK has moved to the Plaguelands to try and restore that land and fight the undead, knowingly killed people trying to help heal the area.
You've got your timeline a bit confused. Stephon's dialogue is referencing Vanilla WoW, not Post-WotLK. In fact, Nathanos wasn't even in the Plaguelands during Cata. That's when he moved to Undercity.
The "heroes of the Alliance who sought to restore peace" that Stephon refers to are these people: https://wow.gamepedia.com/Order_Must_Be_Restored_(quest)
Back in Vanilla, when the Alliance learned that Nathanos became the Blightcaller, they ordered his death and sent agents to kill him. These are the "Heroes" that Nathanos lured to the Morris Stead and killed.
Sure, it's still not nice. But Nathanos wasn't skipping around the Plaguelands killing random blokes who were trying to heal the land. He was, specificaly, luring in those who were hunting him. He knew the Alliance would keep sending agents, so he stayed and kept killing em. You could almost call it self defense if he wasn't intentionally making himself a target.
10/31/2018 11:30 AMPosted by Hackbrew10/31/2018 11:01 AMPosted by BipziI'm just going to say this. Nathanos, who knew that the Argent Crusade, after the death of the LK has moved to the Plaguelands to try and restore that land and fight the undead, knowingly killed people trying to help heal the area.
You've got your timeline a bit confused. Stephon's dialogue is referencing Vanilla WoW, not Post-WotLK. In fact, Nathanos wasn't even in the Plaguelands during Cata. That's when he moved to Undercity.
The "heroes of the Alliance who sought to restore peace" that Stephon refers to are these people: https://wow.gamepedia.com/Order_Must_Be_Restored_(quest)
Back in Vanilla, when the Alliance learned that Nathanos became the Blightcaller, they ordered his death and sent agents to kill him. These are the "Heroes" that Nathanos lured to the Morris Stead and killed.
Sure, it's still not nice. But Nathanos wasn't skipping around the Plaguelands killing random blokes who were trying to heal the land. He was, specificaly, luring in those who were hunting him. He knew the Alliance would keep sending agents, so he stayed and kept killing em. You could almost call it self defense if he wasn't intentionally making himself a target.
Fine, so it was during the time of the Argent Dawn rather than Crusade. But his cousin said these people killed where going for peace. Nathanos interally said that was the truth.
Further, read the entire quest chain.
Nathanos Marris was the first and last of the human ranger lords. A disciple of Sylvanas Windrunner, now the Banshee Queen of the Forsaken.
We had thought that Nathanos had been killed in action in the defense of Lordaeron five years ago. Although his corpse was never recovered, it was assumed that he did not make it out of the Eastern Plaguelands.
Mathias Shaw has been investigating the disappearance and may have some new information. Report to him at once. He resides in Old Town, at the Barracks.
First it's established they are looking for Nathanos corpse, as he was a member of the Alliance. Totally legit and normal for a person of Nathanos stature.
HONOR THE DEAD (we establish this is not a violent thing they are doing. They want to find his corpse to honor him!)
Five of my best field agents were assigned the Marris case. One returned, only to end up dead in his sleep three days later.
What little information we did manage to get out of him was incoherent gibberish. We made out two words: "Nathanos" and "Blightcaller."
I do not have the available manpower to continue this investigation and Ravenholdt will not assist us. We must get to the bottom of this; if only to provide closure to the families of the deceased. Will you help?
Nathanos kills 5 people that were NOT sent to kill him, but recover his corpse. They are sending agents again to figure out wth is going on. At this point, they do not realize Blightcaller is Nanthanos.
Next Quest
The only information we have thus far, then, is that Nathanos Marris may have been slain by this Blightcaller. We assume the Blightcaller is the same fiend that disposed of my agents.
Flint Shadowmore, another SI:7 operative, is stationed at the Alliance encampment of Chillwind Point in the Western Plaguelands. Seek him out; he will debrief you on the current situation in the Plagues and give you an assignment.
Good luck, <name>.
Indeed, they still think Blightcaller is different than Nathanos and now realize this Blightcaller murdered the people who were just looking for their fallens corpse. It's again reinforced that the original agents where not sent to kill Blightcaller. They didn't even know about him at the time.
As I said, your first mission is one of reconnaissance. Nothing fancy, <name>. You must travel to the Eastern Plaguelands and look for any clues as to this Blightcaller.
Be on the lookout for information about our missing operatives. We have to assume that they are dead and if they are dead, they must have a corpse... somewhere.
Again, they still haven't made the connection, they couldn't know at this point yet either. They only know people on a mission of compassion have been murdered.
<The blood appears to have completely drained from Flint's face.>
Na... Nathanos did this? Nathanos is the Blightcaller?
Why? He was... was so noble - a ranger lord respected by all. The only human ever allowed to train under the high elves. Now a ruthless agent of the Forsaken?
I... I am sorry to ask this of you, <name>, but King Wrynn must be informed of this turn of events at once. Please, return to Stormwind and deliver the news.
Ah... here we go, now some Alliance members realize their agents had been murdered by the very person they were on a mission of mercy for, quite the twist really.
And then the quest you linked, where the Alliance "heroes" as you so quoted attack Nathanos, in RETALIATION FOR MURDERING PEOPLE ON A PEACEFUL MISSION.
There is a reason Nathanos feels quilt over all this. The paladin was right, he murdered people on a peaceful mission, and when his cousin got pissed about it (I mean DUH) and then learned it was Marris himself...
Stop making excuses for him. He knows he is guilty, he admits it to himself. Yet he then still willingly undergoes the transformation without regret after being told his cousin was mere "fuel", only regretting it after the deed is done and even then, only slightly.
Nathanos is a jerk of the highest order.
im pretty sure he didn't kill me, he feigned death like a coward10/31/2018 11:30 AMPosted by HackbrewThese are the "Heroes" that Nathanos lured to the Morris Stead and killed.