Making a thread to discuss class changes as they happen week after week as most of us dont have Alpha access. First up
Dark Brew
Increases the damage of your weapon poisons by 30%.
Your Rogue abilities that deal Nature [or Bleed] damage now deal Shadow instead.
Big win imo
Yeah coupled with the poison damage talents in the class tree, we can turn into shadow damage terrors to put shadow priests on notice.
Well, we’re going straight into shadows 
Notable changes this week include the exchange of Garrote in the class tree for Shiv.
Cold blood and MfD positions were swapped (hopefully they do the same with Alacrity and Lethality next week).
Elusiveness was changed. 20% damage reduction but now also has Evasion reduce damage by 10%.
Subtlety
Being able to skip premed is a win.
Assassination
Kingsbane and dashing scoundrel interactions will be interesting. Especially since kingsbane dot wasnt affect by haste last time we had it. It should interact with deathmark too officially making the talent better than Vendetta.
Wondering if Indiscriminate Carnage will benefit from Improved Garrote and Shrouded Suffocation… if thats the case I really think Sin will be good in M+.
I still wish Improved Shiv wasnt a mandatory talent on the way to capstones. Personally id be perfectly happy playing with just exsanguinate. They couldve stuck it off to the side the same way they did exsanguinate.
And also why is regular shiv both in the class tree and spec tree?
Maybe someone can give thoughts on Outlaw changes. Also still wish SnD would be changed.
Looks like they’re adding charges to it.
Oh. Thats awful. Shiv is horrible for the spec outside of pure ST situations.
Yea, is kinda weird. But I suppose it’s probably intended to give some flexibility with enrage dispells.
Assuming one doesn’t just go ham and dump them both into a burst window.
But thats exactly what will happen as you really cant make use of 2 buffs on 2 different targets at the same time. The heavy hitting nature damage abilities are all single target.
Devs really being stupid with this shiv obsession.
Aye. Would be easier if they just brought back toxic blade for the damage buff and left shiv as utility.
But if they insist on doing it the hard way, maybe they could replace one of the eleventy fan of knives modifiers with the current 2pc bonus so shiv at least does something in aoe.
I would be ok with this. Call it fan of shivs.
lol
Making Poison Bomb an actual button and have it apply the debuff would be nice too. But that would also be too easy.
Inevitability now grants additional dmg to Backstab and Gloomblade. Hope intention was to Backstab/Gloomblade build beeing as competitive as pure Shadow Dance focus build. I would really like to try to less dance on my rotation.
Garrote back to assa only /cry
I think the part that sucks most about that decision is that sub and outlaw didnt get anything in return besides utility shiv. But with the addition of kingsblade maybe we can get a Goremaws Bite back for sub as just a big CP generator on a 1min CD.
Have it replace Shrouded in Darkness cause thats the worst ability on all these trees after Improved Sap. Half these dungeons let you ride a mount. Like a 4th of the classes bring speed boosts too.
As it stand Sin Rogue is the only spec that cant talent into 2 capstones at the same time. This could be fixed if poison bomb was moved above amplifying poison in the 8-20 point zone.
What ability is that again?
Healing while stealthed or dancing
The one in the subtlety tree? Is wowhead bugged? It says it gives movement speed to the party when you use shroud of concealment.
Sorry. I was thinking Soothing Darkness. But yeah you have the right tooltip
Don’t worry I keep mistaking secret technique for shadow technique.
With all the shadow theme with Sub I think all abilities with “shadow”, “dark”, and “darkness” can be confused and mistaken 