So my guild is working on heroic council right now and I was reviewing my logs after a disappointing night of barley beating our prot pally in DPS. I know I’m not a great player, but I’m usually a purple parser and I am good mechanically. How could I be this bad?
Turns out I’m not. Warrior damage is just that bad. I have busted my a** to try to be the best player I can be to help my team and all I really am is a raid buff with a decent cooldown.
Devs if you are out there please consider another tuning pass. I can’t go through this tier like this and I don’t want to reroll to another class just to not be a hard carry for my guild.
Thank you for your typical “GiT gUd” response. Next time please check logs before responding.
As stated, we were working on H council of blood. A bad fight for warrior in general.
I am actually parsing anywhere between 60 - 90 most pulls with a couple of bad ones where I was forced off boss by dark recital multiple times.
Our prot pally (very good player BTW) and I are both 202 ilvl, but he has a 220 weapon and I currently have a 184. I know you will say “RuN mOrE KeYs”. I have ran over 20 with no drop. I have also cleared normal CN every week and have had at least 6 vault choices every week. I am in the process of capping conq for a weapon that way now, even though I don’t like PvP very much.
Unfortunately you cant add links to the post, but if you go look you can see for the 90th percentile H council of blood fight over the last week (in my ilvl 202 bracket), DPS arms warriors are about 275 DPS above prot pally. That means pallys are doing 90% of the damage that warriors are doing. Good for pallys, bad for warriors.
I know generally overall Arms is OK (Fury is a trash pile), but it is just frustrating to have your best spec option be “meh”. I needed a place to vent lol
I agree I have some work to do to get better, but what I am drawing attention to is the fact that DPS warriors are barely above prot pallys in council of blood. They are closer to the top tank specs than the top dps specs.
You have run 15 keys. 7 of those were timed. Of which only 7 could drop a weapon, and only one of those was timed. Not even mentioning that almost all these keys are low level.
Yes, you can. Read pins on the forums.
ilvl bracket is a largely worthless metric. And you’re going off of wipe logs. Which are not used for a reason.
The only thing going for warrior in council would be the numerous execute window you get and if the raid dps is high enough, you could push to the 35% hp on the boss with the haste buff after dance for big execute damage. But in general, the fight aint great for warrior.
If we had the bfa collateral damage talent version, arm coulda have a funnel mechanics to keep up with the other big dps specs, but sadly we dont anymore.
As for prot pally, they can do a lot of damage with their dps build for sure.
first off, you havn’t had a single purple parse in heroic yet… so I wouldn’t say you “usually purple parse”.
Secondly, Council is a weird fight, and honestly don’t judge your overall performance off of it. There’s still people out there that don’t realize damage done to the non-focused boss doesn’t count in logs, its useless damage.
Honestly heroic council Isn’t a dps check more an add management fight. As arms you should be saving your big cds to clear adds fast(execute shines here) so the range dps( who are the current top dps class) pump more damage into boss.
Both warriors in my guild are lower than my dh in st but they are not that far in multi target situations.
Strangely the warriors in my guild did not have purple parses either. Thing is I know one of them was always purple parse back in bfa. Just an observation.
Thread in general is pretty yikes OP. There’s plenty of guides out there.
I understand you’re frustrated, but there some type of improvement you are missing somewhere. Something isn’t adding up. Try to recognize this instead of coming back at those offering constructive criticism; it will only put the nail in your dps coffin.
Keep at it. We’re here for you. Don’t get defeated.
Everyone is ragging on this guys but the fact is a 99 warrior is still way behind a 99 DK. It’s easy to say warrior is ok just get 99s so you can be closer to that 50 shadow priest. DPS classes should be comparable at every level.
Revves and Atrocity are great but they were still basement dwellers on the meters since everyone else was great too.
Oh yeah? On fights other that Stone Legion? That fight is like perfectly handicapped to Warriors.
Quit the crap about someone has to be on the bottom. Of course there has to be. Doesn’t mean that classes can’t be super close in damage when played equally.
Fact of the matter is, when looking at the 99% in CN the top warrior spec (Arms) is below the top spec of all 11 other classes. Not a great feeling.
If you want to sit back and accept the state of the class, cool. You are entitled to that. Others are entitled to complain as well. You know a lot about Warriors obviously, but it’s also not particularly helpful to criticize others concerns but not also contribute with things that could help. Unless you are content with where Warriors are, which is fine if that’s how you feel.
Again my current kill parses are not the focus of my complaint. Yes they are bad right now as I just switched to arms and am getting comfortable with the spec. And our first kills were messy. I realize I have alot of work to do (which I’ve been doing) and I have been getting better. I’m not saying that I’m bad so therefor warrior is bad. I am saying even if I was really good, warriors would still be crap on that fight. That wasn’t the case during legion or bfa.
Cool, 2 out 10. Didn’t Meat Loaf write a song about that?
It matters because every other class has a spec they can go with that’s more competitive. It also puts Warriors 12/12 which, if I’m not mistaken, is not ideal.
You sound like that guy at the office who doesn’t want to do his job better because it’s always been done the way he’s used to. Hold Blizzard to a higher standard. Even small indie companies should be held accountable.
That being said, I’ve played feral much of WoWs existence, even at times where they were considered toward the bottom the gap wasn’t this big. That was a long time ago though.
Because everything has to he one extreme or the other? Cool.
Not all criticism is constructive. You are sharp enough to understand that. You criticize mechanics well. You criticize feelings and arguments not as well. There’s always room for improvement.
You are very prone to extremes today. My guess is there is plenty of room between doing nothing and committing a crime. Maybe just give some input on how you feel things should improve. I feel you probably choose not to do that because someone might think your ideas are bad. So you just sit back and criticize the ideas of others. That’s safe.
Either way, you know your stuff mechanically. That’s great. You’re helpful in that way. You jump to extremes too often though when arguing with people that it makes your good points invalid at times. It’s ok to be helpful. People care how their $15 is being used and they are entitled to their opinions on the state of their class.
Don’t worry man. Everyone knows Warriors are bad. People on here just like to pretend they aren’t. It’s easy to crap on people’s parses and tell them to do better. It makes them feel better about themselves. Fact of the matter is Warriors are still bad.
I have shadow priest who 99 parses constantly on my raids. If I was doing 99s he’d still be light years ahead of me.