https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM5khMLdr1M
TLDR; Devourer is really strong, naysayers are wrong and not playing it optimally.
Enjoy!
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I don’t appreciate your attempt at gaslighting.
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Squishiest SPEC EVER FOR PVP !! Blizz do something because I actually like to play it
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…guy said he has a 67% win rate in shuffle… currently highest rated.
So, what I’m hearing is that he just told us get good….I feel personally attacked.
Well yeah, unfortunately it is a get good situation for people who think Devourer is bad.
The spec is the furthest thing from bad, it just requires knowledge of other specs, and the ability to not tunnel vision one build and one playstyle (collapsing star). In favour of playing an alternate build that provides more windows to kill, and higher defensive capabilities.
Most of my losses are unironically to playing poorly, sometimes throws on my end, sometimes playing the wrong build. It’s all a get good situation.
I have one small comment on that btw.
Even if you aren’t playing a star build, you kinda still need to talent into star because otherwise the talent that awards fury and a damage buff based on total souls when exiting meta straight up doesn’t work.
I came back, irritated with your “get good” message to us.
I played two training grounds bgs, earned top kills and damage in each, (verifying to myself that it’s not entirely a skill issue that way.)
Did 10 Skirms after that. I lost every one, but one… because the oppostion only had 1 player vs us 2.
Each and every last matchup included a opposing Sub Rogue, or Ret pally … or both. I was dead in their stuns, nothing I could do. I used my trinkets, predefensives, and retreats with LoS …. all my own CC all deployed. No success… they all trained me, I was dead before I could even generate 35 stacks to try and meta.
This class is absolute trash in arena pvp… stop saying it’s not. Stop saying it’s a skill issue… it’s not… at minimum it’s a comp issue, you must run with a healer, and even then, it’s still trash compared to other specs…but that doesn’t correct the front loaded overwhelming burst every one else gets in this game. Our ramp can be quick to meta, but we can’t do it if we have to evade everyone else’s bursts… it happens too fast.
I logged back on to my now main Ret, I won 60% of my skirms.
This isn’t okay…. stop saying it’s fine. It’s not.
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Isn’t that the wow equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel?
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… only proof of effective baseline skill in damage rotation.
There will always be some people who can make any spec work, that does not mean te spec is good, you need to compare with the other specs, compare DDH with any rogue spec, Ret, WW, MM, Fire mage, Frost mage, Enhance, Havoc… Some one skilled would do 10x better playing basically any other spec because most of them are better designed than DDH.
There are some people trying to gaslighting us to think something mediocre is fine.
Keep asking for changes.
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Correct, I didn’t even realize that I still had it talented. You just pop it over to Voidglare Boon and it’s fixed. Alternatively you can just play star over Duty Eternal if you want to play it, but Voidblade damage is generally better imho.
Well you’re going to hate me being the bearer of bad news, but rogues are the hard counter to DH in general, which is why void scarred is what you play into them. You need the backflip resets for Glimpse to be able to have a chance to function against them. You’re also using an arguement of 2 of the most absurdly broken specs at present beating you, when both are designed to beat you.
If you’re basing this on 2v2, Devourer isn’t going to function nearly as well in 2s because the spec a) Doesn’t have an ms, and b) The meta dps/healer comps are all variable hard counters to Devourer (rogues, hunters, havoc). But you also have incredibly good matchups, considering you’ll beat every wizard, and dks, warriors, wws, etc.
Devourers function incredibly well with holy priests, hpals, and prevokers. All 3 healers give it a setup go, and all 3 healers provide it safety (especially hpal) in cooldowns.
Yes you play one of the 2 most broken specs, and win on it. Shocker to absolutely no one.
While yes, OTPs will make a spec work, trying to compare a spec that is extremely strong to specs that are MASSIVELY broken is not a fair arguement. The second sub rogues get kneecapped (and it better be soon), Devourer becomes incredibly high value alone, because the one true hard counter no longer one shots it, and it has the ability to outplay it.
And it’s always worth listening to someone who actually has the skill and experience to back up their talk. The spec may not be something you enjoy playing revolving around the meta, and that’s fine, but discrediting what it can do because of 1 or 2 things that are outside of your control is not a fair assessment of its strength.
While i agree that many are overtuned, my point is tunning aside, rigth now, DDH is one of the worse specs. Sure you can make it work and i also agree it is always good to listen to someone more skilled, but you also have to keep in mind that you can not expect that the average player have this level of skill and specs shhould be designed with the average player in mind not the 1%rs.
Also, just to be clear, i’m not an arena player, my prespective is more based on group pvp, BGs, where i think the spec lacks denfensive options.
Again, this is just wrong. People play the wrong way and it appears to be like that.
I’m not discrediting players not being to the same level as me, but the whole arguement always comes down to spec strength, which in both PVE & PVP is one of the single highest DPS specs in the game at current balancing.
Players that lack the knowledge, or the correct playstyle, will spread misinformation relating to it because they simply aren’t playing properly, or using the right builds, and THAT misinformation is so abundant right now in both the DH discord, and the forums.
From a purely PVP perspective, everyone that’s actually been trying to play my Void-Scarred build has been nothing but happy, their performances are improving and they are having more fun. VS is a build that for Havoc players is easy to understand, since it’s essentially the same gameplay for a burst window, people just have to learn how to adjust to a midrange spec that weaves in combat.
Be mindful that players like me are proving how good the spec is when its played, and that’s with mistakes being made.
Maybe the problem is that the skill ceiling is to high, idon’t know, but as i said before, obviously a skilled player such as yourself, can make it work, but that does not prove it is good, it just proves you are a good player.
You know that the majority of players will not have te same experience as you, hence there are many complains. The spec must be designed taking in consideration that average player will not be able to perform. Designing pvp, the game overall, around the top 1% of players experience is a mistake.
I have an idea, maybe we should get the Devourer Demon Hunter developers to que up a few Skirmishes on live and see how they fare…
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I honestly don’t buy this. They can be tunneled all game, top damage, and never die unless a sub rogue is in the lobby.
And that right there is a get good issue my brother. Independant skill is a factor in PVP for all specs. Bad rogues make sub look awful, yet good rogues make sub look unplayable to play against. There’s 2 ends of the spectrum. I’ve had this arguement before, yet somehow it’s only for Devourer that anyone seems to think that learning is a difficult concept.
If people don’t like the way devourer plays right now, that’s their own decision to make. But the choice of saying something isn’t proven to be good because players aren’t willing to practice, and learn, is not a good assessment of anything. You don’t get anywhere in anything in life if you don’t put the time into learning it.
Well this just isn’t true. Devourer takes a massive beating, especially with how low versatility is currently. Can they kite and make some specs hate the game, sure, but if you can’t land your setups then that is not Devourer being insane, but rather the opponent playing poorly.