Every key in the 4-7 range trying to min-max
“MUST BE SHAMAN”
As a Warlock, giving up Kick to Clease myself is a no-go, so I have to burn Healthstone AND Mortal Coil to heal through it. It’s one thing to have a niche CD whose soul purpose is dispelling, but having to use two CD’s to mitigate an Affix when Shamans use one to solve it for everyone, or Priests every other time (with good positioning) and I can’t even be mad.
At least the ones before this, just about every class had an equal answer for.
Edit: Confirmed in a key a few minutes ago, but Healthstone doesn’t even work lmao
My group spent 15 minutes getting a shaman healer specifically and the shaman dispelled 7 times the whole dungeon in a +6 SoB.
As a DPS spending 20 minutes per key to get into a group, this affix is the worst. I’m taking forever to get into keys just for the Meta class people to not even use what makes them meta to their advantage.
And what are my tools when this happens?
Nearly nothing. Dungeon affixes shouldn’t be this specific.
This is a pretty stupid affix. I gave someone else crap for complaining about people not speccing to help out with it but I think I was wrong to do that.
I have a friend who plays pretty much every healer, he really wanted to play his monk this week after we did a world tour of +4’s with his shaman.
We did two +6’s with his better geared monk and he was like “Yeah, I am done for the week.” Ara Kara was not a fun dungeon.
That last boss is really miserable with the poison waves, this affix and a mostly melee group. He ended up killing everyone with the snot waves once cause the boss put the snot wave out at the exact second he mass removed the affix… which caused the waves to instantly shoot out killing everyone. After that he was trying to purge the whole group of the affix one time.. and the boss was just healing way too much. Also since he’s trying to punch heal, all melee on that boss… there just wasn’t room. So his throughput was gimped on healing through it too.
We still downed it eventually but missed the timer. Think that one really demoralized him.
This is a guy who will dig 2x2x1000 tunnels over and over again in minecraft for 16 hours if left unbothered and be happy as a peach. It takes a lot to knock the wind outta his sails.
Would be nice if more classes could help out with it w/o having to give up a bunch of talents to get it.
Sure, but with a caveat. DH does not have theirs every minute, which is the rough cast time of the debuff, and Warlocks are tied to a pet that presupposes you give up kick to use. Both of these classes have it particularly worse.
No, their variety of cooldowns is what makes them Meta. That have something to deal with most any situation and can spec into or out of whatever tools they need.
One Affix is a relatively well-stacked group of orbs that need to be cc’d in any way: Cap Totem, done.
Another affix is a group-wide debuff that can be dispelled group-wide and it happens roughly every minute: Cleansing Totem, done.
Sure, there are CD’s they have that are useful in make other scenarios but where the weekly affixes are concerned, can you name another healer that can solo two different affixes every single cast?
If you’re trying to tell me the affixes we have now are like what we had in DF and prior, that’s just cope to make a point.
Not mad at Shaman for having their chance to shine, they do solid HPS while being able to manage most 5-man scenarios really well, while also providing tools that deal with 50% of the affixes we’ve seen so far, and that has not always been the case.
I’m just pointing out that this particular affix is unforgiving to one (really two) very specific classes and makes it, as titled, stink.
the debuff is long enough that the healer should be able to cleanse 2, the tanks will be healed off naturally, hopefully there’s at least 1 other dispel in the group, and the last person (or last 2 if there’s no other dispel) can just be healed off by the healer.
like there shouldn’t really be situations where it goes off or you have to blow anything too big trying to remove it.
In keys 7 and under?
It’s like playing in Silver elo in League. People bring a shaman and expect to be able to turn off their brains. The difference between class toolkit shows much more in an affix like Devour as opposed to say, Bargain.
Wait a minute… if you’re saying that they weren’t meta previously when these tools weren’t important and weren’t being used… but now they are being used very effectively and shaman are now meta without any other real discernable changes… does that not imply that these tools are why they are currently meta?
I’m no M+ expert, personally I kinda hate the mode, but that logic you’re using isn’t exactly checking out, at least not from an outside perspective
The tools were just as important as before, if not more important due to the actual affixes and how they were applied and handled. And they still weren’t meta.
Why was that these same tools were needed in prior seasons, and they weren’t meta, but now the same tools are being needed and they are meta.
It’s not the toolkit to handle affixes that make them meta.
not the affix’s fault Shamans just got absolutely stacked utility lol
it’s just more noticable this week because it solos the affix and is off CD quick enough to always be up for it, if MD was 25 seconds like originally we might be seeing Priests picked up at the same rate at least in mid level keys