Devilsaur Mafia and Cross-Faction Collusion

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I made a post recently which was met with much disagreement. It seemed like the general response was that the Devilsaur mafia is only a private server phenomena. That i will not take place much if at all on new Blizzard servers. Further, the warning of the effects of collusion were also flippantly brushed aside.

I can’t help but wonder how many people have actually played the game with these two things taking place. I am not here to show off my in game experience or anything. Don’t get me wrong. But I am not just making posts and trying to start discussion about these things for fun either. I am doing this, rather, because I don’t want my future fun to be RUINED.

I played Vanilla WoW for over a year, TBC, then Wrath, and part of Cata. I also played on 4 Vanilla private servers with about 7 60’s. When I talk about the negative effects of collusion and the way that it can harm gameplay, I am not speaking from ignorance.

To be sure, in 2005 the collusion was not as easy to detect or partake in. It did take place. In 2019 it is 1000 times easier to collude. Discord servers and Battle net both will likely be used to voice chat with the opposite faction. I can’t help but wonder… If you don’t have problem with collusion…did you ever play Vanilla in any iteration?

I don’t say this to chastise you as much as to help you realize that you may not know quite as much as you think you do. Vanilla WoW is incredibly different than modern WoW. Mob tags, rare spawns, world bosses, pvp grind, trade skill items, and rare mineral spawn nodes are ALL incredibly important to the game. They will be your end game in part. These are ALL affected by collusion.

Another common response was that Blizzard was against this and it would be taken care of. My response to this is…really? Will it? They haven’t stated explictly yet that cross faction collusion is actionable in the new Classic version. They haven’t stated the severity of punishment. If they do say it is wrong, do they have the GM power to back it up? With loot trading being implemented seemingly to lighten the load on customer service, am I really to believe that they will take on extra work to monitor every servers Un’Goro crater or battle grounds?

Lastly, rare spawns of black lotus haven’t been addressed. Collusion takes place for those also. What is their plan for spawn rates of rare items like that in a world where people dedicate their entire lives to running a servers economy.

This isn’t 2005. The sophistication and dedication of modern Vanilla WoW players and video game players should not be downplayed. I understand that the knee jerk reaction of the majority of WoW forum posters is to figure out a way to argue and debate the Original poster. But…maybe…perhaps just in this case…you can realize I am on YOUR side trying to make sure the game is enjoyable.

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I dont think it’s necessarily that collusion should be brushed off… it’s that Blizzard already has a policy against it.

Private server rules arent the same as Blizzard ToS.

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You responded to my post before I could re-read through it after I posted it. You skimmed my post and quickly made a snarky rebuttle.

The last paragraph is for people like you. This is why I walk away and don’t return for hours after posting something on forums. People literally LIVE to argue and debate for NO REASON.

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Pirate Server issues =/= Classic Server issues.

Devilsaur Mafia won’t be a thing, again Pirate Server Problems

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Yet they actively encourage it with click to add cross faction bnet chat

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Isn’t there a PvP solution to this PvP problem?

Let’s say you have a strong PvP guild full of people like yourself who despise the Devilsaur mafia. You could find like-minded guilds on both alliance and horde sides that could go to where the mafia is doing its thing and just do an all-out “if it’s red it’s dead” thing so nobody can cheese the PvP mechanics to bogart the tags and the skins without suffering the same sort of pain that those outside their mafia get when they try to compete for those skins (or purple lotus, or whatever).

That way you’re taking matters into your own hands, and you don’t need to hope that a GM will see things the way you do and interpret the EULA in a way that favors your anti-collusion position to reduce/eliminate the practice. You will have already made it a thing of the past.

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Sure t will, because we know how valuable those items are for so many classes.

THat being said RED IS DEAD!!! I feel for people who roll PvE…

That being said I am sure “collusion” will happen when the first 60s start to farm. Because they would rather farm than fight so they can get their stacks of mats before the rest of the server shows up. That’s not collusion.

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I don’t think I was snarky?

Did you not want anyone to reply to your post? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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Here’s how it goes down in my head without them being farmed 24/7 due to Euros, Chinese, Russians, and a worldwide network in effect.

“Hey guys, we just spent 6 hours doing jailbreak and running LBRS, who wants to go farm some Devilsaurs?”

“I can’t go, wife is mad.”
“I also can’t go, got work in 7 hours.”
“Sorry man, gonna go level mining.”
“I’ll go!”

“That’s it? Just 1 of you?”

“Let’s go!”

“Man, these Allies are out here enmasse tonight. Let’s come back this weekend.”

“Maybe we should make Ally alts and see if we can coordinate them?”

“Man, I don’t wanna get banned for collusion.”

“Hmm, you’re right. We’ll make it a guild event.”

Meanwhile, the random 50 people who want to farm Devilsaurs and are doing so are competing with each other and not getting much accomplished, so they retreat to farm other bis or the gold to purchase the sets.

While I agree there is potential for the farming to happen, most guilds aren’t going to have spreadsheets and rotations and time available to sit in Un’goro all day doing so. We are NA-based and a lot of people will be working. Unlike in China where their job is to make gold in WoW. Or Europeans who don’t work as much.

You’ll have more solo acts and small groups attempting to farm, and the potential risk might not warrant the reward. I’d surmise a lot of guilds will farm the sets when they need to, or use alternative methods such as trading Arcane Crystsls in bulk for sets.

To suggest that there will widespread mafia groups on every server due to private server dynamic is a reach. There might be a mafia but they will have other things to do as well.

When we farmed as a mafia on Elysium and Northdale we had spawn timers down to the second, across 200+ people from both factions. And we didn’t have an eye in the sky watching us. It was lawless. And people still got their sets.

Mages will likely have a non-nerfed Dire Maul to farm, Rogues will have pickpocketing available, and Hunters will have Maraudon. This takes a chunk of players away from farming Devilsaur leather for safer and consistent methods.

It takes a coordinated group without any fear of backlash from the community or GMs to farm Devilsaur. It won’t be such a big issue on Blizzard servers.

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Did you ever wonder that perhaps the subject has already existing threads, and you spamming a second one on the same subject is going to be met with more hostility?

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This will come down to the real money made by controlling the economy. I can see it happening on high pop servers. Especially pvp servers because pvp gold carries a higher value than pve gold. For very obvious reasons.

I’d say active high pop servers problem.

Yes for specific areas like Un’Goro. The other issue is this is tied to the AH economy and the real money trade using it to further line their pockets with real money.

Oh Americans don’t work afternoons or midnight shifts? Or farm gold to sell for real money? Ah ok. No issues here then.
You’re on the internet. Yea. It’s a world wide network. Lol.
That’s just it though we are talking about real money here. Depending on how many people show up this is going to generate a lot of money in the gold trade.
People can down play that all they want. The fact is real money traders made multiple millions of dollars from Vanilla. The fact is private servers are lucrative enough for them to set up shop. Even on obscure ones with 1k populations! You can look at blizz’s gold selling OP with tokens for further proof of how lucrative it is. Oh and all games that have any form of mtx if you don’t think there’s a market. Lol.
Anyone saying they won’t be in classic are either fooling themselves, wilfully ignorant, or are going to be cashing in. We are talking real world dollars here. Don’t discount anything. Real money traders avatars look just like players avatars.

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Non issue. There are so many factors that took into private servers that allowed this type of behavior that it wouldn’t be beneficial for any cross faction collusion to make this.

I’m sure people will attempt to monopolize it but they will fail. Also, the practices that these people took to fight people from farming this is bannable on all accounts (like the sheep spam exploit).

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I chuckled when I found out Steve Bannon made millions on the WoW gold market. Goes right to the top – almost literally in Bannon’s case.

Still blows my mind, though, that there’s enough money to be made by outside gold sellers on private servers when the private server owners themselves were selling gold.

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I don’t think that there won’t be Devilsaur farming groups, but entire widespread mafias? Probably not.

It was highly exacerbated on private servers, for reasons like you suggested. Americans working swing shifts aside, I doubt we will see 200+ people working around the clock, with groups as many as 15+ patrolling Un’goro.

Arcane crystal drop rates were nerfed on private servers. Rogue pickpocketing was nerfed so Rogue’s Diaries weren’t included in lock boxes on some servers. Dire Maul East and North were nerfed and mobs adjusted to make it too hard to farm.

The only reliable gold was herbalism and Devilsaur leather or instance farming for many people.

I doubt Blizzard blanket nerfs all of those avenues due to China taking advantage of those.

Our mafia was so successful on Elysium because of the hype it generated. And because we had roughly 40+ rank 14 players included in it.

Other mafias and attempts to quell it were sent packing. We even counted 1 Rogue who probably ran to his corpse over 500 times. The run in Un’goro is pretty long. He spent literal days /played just running to his corpse and attempting to stop the mafia.

I do not think Blizzard will allow such a thing to happen.

Especially with the forums here and us knowing that they read a majority of posts.

There is going to be Devilsaurs killed and sets made. I doubt it will be on spawn 24/7 across the 6 reliable spawn points and King Mosh spawn at the second they spawn. That was mafia status.

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Just like I said in the first thread you made. Your experience is on private servers and you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Exactly why did you need to make a SECOND thread on the exact same subject?

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This just highlights what money/greed will do. There is money to be made. People will exploit it.

Yes and actively banning the competition! Lol.
There were even rumors if you paid enough you could get permits to do business.
This also highlights how big the demand is and how resourceful some are in carrying out their agendas to obtain profits. Says a lot!

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I know, we can hijack the OP’s thread with a meta-discussion about threadmaking! :wink:

I see a lot of unwritten (well, mostly unwritten) rules that people try to enforce in these forums:

  • Don’t make a new thread if you could just use the search function and read an old thread.
  • Don’t actually comment on an old thread if you do use the search function, because that’s a necro, or a bump if it was your thread, or both.
  • Don’t make another thread on a topic that already has 5,000 comments on another thread (can’t use the “thread locked” excuse any longer).
  • Don’t make another thread on the same topic even if you were disappointed at where the comments led in the previous thread and wanted to try to steer the discussion to things that might be more constructive or whatnot.
  • Oh yeah, and don’t make comments on a thread that already has thousands of comments because it’s feeding the trolls and that would be bad.
  • If you think you have a handle on these rules and can follow them, you’re wrong. Be prepared to defend the fact you are commenting in an online forum and that you’re not a troll, because no matter what, at least 32.578% (scientifically-determined number, from first-principles and not an actual poll, accurate to +/-47.55523%) of the people who read it will interpret what you’re doing as trolling.

Discuss.

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With modern things like discord and other groups there will be cross faction collusion, cross faction live cam streams, etc. Forgot about the idea of Blizzard’s in-game mechanisms preventing cross faction collusion.

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My haed asplode.

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All in an attempt to make gold hold a higher value and stifle their gold selling competition.
Ok. So blizz hopefully won’t be doing that but those are all gold streams to stock up from. Although farming is not the most efficient method to make gold once the economy does take off. That is when the AH and who controls it will be the most important. These are professional paid employees we’re talking about here. They have developed their systems over the past decades and adjusted when they need to.

I hope not but they are adding loot trading (wish it was a group vote type of system when there’s an actual misclick instead of full blown loot trading) with the reasoning that it will generate less tickets. That doesn’t sound like there will be much support.

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