I think it’s objectively a bit more than opinion at this point that destro is beyond absurd and by far the most overtuned spec atm. Yes, bad opinions will get you called idiotic, welcome to the world.
You’re right, there’s literally 0 people with glad playing RMP, WD, Cupid. You might as well just uninstall if you aren’t playing with a lock since you can’t break 2k.
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There is nothing objective about saying Lock is undisputed the best or most OP class though. The data actually paints a different picture. If you look purely at the leaderboards of the top 500 for example in 2’s, but especially 3’s… Lock’s are clearly a top 3 spec, but it’s pretty neck and neck with Hpal/Fire Mage/Sin/MW and somewhat Disc. Bigger sampling Lock climbs to 10-12% which ties Hpal, but in the lower samples like top 20, top 50, top 100 Lock is barely top 3-4.
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Imagine being so bad at the game you actually want to argue with one of the top players. These forums never change.
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Imagine appealing to the authority of someone being hyperbolic instead of making actual points or backing claims up with data. Some things never change on the arena forums.
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Imagine committing the fallacy of appeal to authority, and actually thinking you have a strong, cogent argument? NBA players make the WORST analysts in many cases. Like unbearably bad. Shaq was one of the best ever, and he’s DUMB at analyzing basketball. Some teachers make the worst parents. If anything being so good at something, and being a 1%er hinders your ability to understand the 99%, because your situation is totally different. That doesn’t mean expertise and experience isn’t valuable, or that Dilly isn’t going to know more than the average 1500 player, but simply being great doesn’t mean you aren’t blinded by your own bias. If anything, the best are often the MOST likely to be obscured by bias.
@Nasuuna lol, good call I was literally posting about appeal to authority.
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WW is the 10th most played spec over 2200 in 3s. Top 100 is not really a good indicator of of power since its normally the same people every season playing their mains but what you can look at is lock representation over 2200 has almost tripled in the last 5 months
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heres some game data for you.
www. arenamate. net/representation-charts
go look at the 2nd chart. what you’re seeing there doesn’t even properly show the issue. you know why? because rating earned later in the season doesn’t properly show ACTIVE players versus non-active players that are sitting on rating. So for us to see a huge spike like that says the ACTUAL numbers are a lot higher relative to the current meta.
there is your data. now go away.
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So basically it’s doing what it always does, where the OP classes become FOTM? Nobody is denying that there are always a huge percentage of players who play FOTM. Above it was even pointed out that most players actually seek out the most overtuned classes.
WW has very high representation relative to it’s tiny 1-2% played population. You need to look at the more detailed math. If the 2% of a population make up say 8% of the top 100 or 200… that means something. It’s all relative. In essence per capita basically… Lock is kind of middle of the pack. 5th or 6th most played class, and tied for 1st in representation is different than the 3rd least played spec taking up the 5th spot in representation etc.
on NA WW is 9th in representation 2800+
Um why would you look at 2800??? That’s a dumb bar to have. That’s like using the .5% of anything to make a determination. I was considering anything above 2k, or even 2.2k. There are like a few hundred players over 2800 out of hundreds of thousands of players…
PS… I edited my mistake of 100 players. It’s a few hundred. Either way they make up a tiny percentage.
imagine not even playing at the same level… or even close to and commenting like your opinion matters.
When all you have is logical fallacies to throw around instead of an actual argument. but guess what, not only can I back it up, but you can go look as well. There are plenty of resources to see how much the meta has changed since the introduction of the corruption vendor.
but you know what, you don’t know or understand that because you aren’t playing the game at level that matters anyways.
The part that is so ridiculous here is you could just go watch some streams to get a feel for the current meta. There are so many outlets to get information and you refuse to do even the basics to see the glaring issue and instead want to sit on the forums. It’s blatantly obvious it’s beyond meme level comedy.
i used 2200+ you had an issue with it i used 2800 you have an issue with it.
i didn’t recall addressing the 2200 comment? I must of missed it?
reading comprehension is normally the first thing to go when people operate on emotions and not facts
This is some bad logic to sort through. So… let me paraphrase your argument. Basically only great PVP players can talk about it, because the opinion of lesser players doesn’t matter as they are less experienced (or inferior). Yet, you still propose to speak for the 99% of wow that aren’t Glad level players? It makes no sense. Again, if Destro players were so broken and taking over everything, why isn’t there more representation than 10.5%? Why isn’t every Destro 2k?
Outside of Dilly, nobody has even posted about this that has been at that level. I didn’t say I don’t take advice for more skilled players than me, I said you were being fallacious in your logic and that even the best of the best are prone to bias (if not more TBH).
@Seyon nobody is emotional here. I’m explaining the flaws in your argument. The data contradicts you. You’ve moved the goalposts constantly. I’ve literally posted the data myself. I’m using PVPleaderboards which has matching data to arena mates.
Summary from me, and goalposts that have been moved.
Yes, Destro’s are definitely overtuned and OP, but they are similar in that regard to a handful of specs. But because people don’t like dying to a 200k Chaos Bolt they can’t kick after already kicking fear, it sets them off unlike Havoc/Fire//Sin/WW/Hpal/MW etc. People aren’t actually mad about dying to Destros IMO. They are mad about how humiliating it is to die to Destro. Destro is easier to shut down than multiple S tier specs. The rotation and damage is very predictable, as is the CC.
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nothing is more cringe then pseudo-intellectual responses on the forums. please spare me. please. seriously.
you are missing the point. no one is saying the opinions of lesser players don’t matter. the issue here is that the person making the comments hasn’t even put in the most basic efforts to back up their argument. The points presented by the OP are completely anecdotal. I don’t see you correcting them on their own fallacies…
To that, the issue is so overwhelming clear, it’s pure comedy that people are still trying to argue otherwise. The fact the OP, and apparently you want to argue otherwise says enough about your own ability and your ability to take READILY available information and process it. As if the most recent tournament wasn’t evidence enough, there are plenty of sources to get a a sense of the state of arena right now.
this sums up how clueless you are. not even worth discussing if you think it’s easy to shut down destro.
yea so easy that the top tier teams had to wait 15 minutes for dampening to stack before they even considered attacking them.
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i mean if you take both regions combined 2k+ WW is still 10th. you data is just flat out wrong. any region any cut off 2k 2200 and up its always the same. WW is around 8-11th in rep sub 6%
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Look I can do this too!
Red Herring Fallacy.
Strawman Fallacy.
However, simply committing a logical fallacy doesn’t invalidate an argument. Every 5head knows that, right demoliton?
It’s so easy to shut down, that’s why it’s disproportionately the most represented class +spec of any on the ladder. 
From what experience do you glean from when making this statement? (See my thinly veiled ad hominem attack posed as a question?) Just because I’ve made a logical fallacy here does not invalidate my claim that you don’t know what you’re talking about because you don’t even play at a meaningful level of pvp according to your armory/account data.
For the same reason I’d trust Chef Gordon Ramsey’s recommendation of how to cook a steak over yours, I’d take Dillon’s assessment of Destro Warlock’s over yours. They know more than you, they have more reps than you, they’ve done it longer than you, they’ve failed more than you have ever tried. An appeal to authority only invalidates the argument if it is a bad argument. Data, personal experience at high rating, and the congruent experiences of other players up and down the ladder that coincide with mine say you’re wrong.
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Not according to the monk forums