That has nothing to do with gear in ESO, that has to do with the One Tamriel scaling system.
EDIT: The One Tamriel scaling has made gear power leveling obsolete altogether. That is why the level cap and gear cap are where they are at, they made gear power irrelevant.
Honestly why would an mmo thats doing better than both those games combined attempt to emulate them
Also eso is really awful, itās ok as a single player experience with bad combat but good grief
Personally, this seems super boring. Once you get that legendary, all you have to look forward to is a stat bump? Feels lackluster.
Honestly the fact blizzard has made WoW into diablo is so disgusting to me
If they like diablo then go make diablo 4 already.
No surprise this game is dying. They had the perfect formula between casual and hard core in Wrath and they threw it away. Blizzard LOVES to change things that should be left alone.
Honestly if WoW stole Destiny Exotic system I truly believe a lot more people would be happy. It is easily the best legendary system Iāve ever encountered in any game.
100% Agreed.
I like the infusing tooā¦ so if you like playing with a specific stat priority you can keep that stat priority without sacrificing ilevel.
The best system for an RNG gearing system hands down. Itās not a surprise Destiny has been doing so good since they left Activision.
I know itās the result of One Tamriel. OP decided to jump from discussing gear power to stat bloat, so I pointed out that ESOās is currently worse.
And my argument to the OP is that it isnāt fun as-is. I donāt want to see that mirrored on WoW
Love your name, by the way
Tbh I just play with percentages only because itās easier to understand cause every game is running different numbers.
Gear power isnāt irrelevantā¦ you canāt stomp on someone wearing all green quest gear vs someone actually running multiple sets.
Honestly why would an mmo thats doing better than both those games combined attempt to emulate them
Also eso is really awful, itās ok as a single player experience with bad combat but good grief
No one knows how well WoW is doing we can only guess. I can guess by looking at realm pop and twitch streams that BFA is not only on itās last legs itās pretty much a niche game for a small community like most MMOs. You can disagree but we will be arguing over nothing thereās no way to prove one point over the other.
Honest question: How does a permanent level cap work with farming old raids? Or do old raids just become unsoloable and you always have to group for them.
I meanā¦ you have your opinions. Thatās fine. Though I would like your stats on the claims you made about likes/dislikes for both BFA and PVP. Itās not that I donāt believe you. I just want to know where you got your data, or if you just made it up based on your own confirmation bias and anecdotal evidence?
Also, am I suppose to care that you think Iām bad at pvp. Does that some how negate anything I said? Yea, Iām bad at WoW pvp, but Iām decent at D2 PVP. I still think itās boring. Maybe I just think pvp is boring. Also, where did I say anything about not having PVE. We have plenty. Itās a huge part of this game. Has been since BC at least.
I agree. There should be something for everyoneās taste. However, this quote always comes off as really self conscious to me.
Thatās a fair opinion to have, but since all we can give is opinion. I think D2 and ESO are far more limited and boring games to play.
Thanks, I felt it fitting giving the similarities between the two. lol
Listen bud we can go back and forth all day here and itās not going to change anything. Iām just gonna copy what I said to the other guy.
No one knows how well WoW is doing we can only guess. I can guess by looking at realm pop and twitch streams that BFA is not only on itās last legs itās pretty much a niche game for a small community like most MMOs. You can disagree but we will be arguing over nothing thereās no way to prove one point over the other.
Also, if you really think the majority of people like BFA youāre living under a rock. You can look anywhere for proof that BFA is received horribly. But feel free to believe anything you want.
Because your example was a flat number instead of acknowledging that the numbers from the beginning of BFA to the end are absurd.
In eso a new set doesnāt come out and this person can now do 30 million dps
BFA has a lower rating on metacritic than WoD if that means anything.
@Darmonic
Add me on steam so we can play Destiny sometime. I need to get my 7th trail win for the class item.
I really donāt have a problem with power progression in WoW, what I have a problem with are things like Azerite gear and Corruption and all the RNG that comes with them, and using gear acquisition as an excuse for lack of content. Thereās nothing wrong with not having anything left to do if you had fun doing it; Iād much rather stop playing because I was done rather than because I dissatisfied.
I meanā¦ a quick google search gave me pretty decent population data for comparing D2, ESO, and WoW numbers .
A quick search a few other review sites can give a (somewhat accurate) answer to how well BFAās been received by critics and players a like.
Also, I never said I disagreed with you. I know BFA hasnāt been received well by a large portion of the population. I just wanted to know if you actually researched what youāre saying or just said it cause it fits your narrative. Even if youāre right, itās important to know how you got there.
It definitely does as a data point, but not as a whole picture scenario. Metacritic has a reputation for a reason. Same for steam reviews. Great for taking a snap shot, but not for using as conclusive proof. (If that makes sense.)
I meanā¦ a quick google search gave me pretty decent population data for comparing D2, ESO, and WoW numbers .
Oh yeah, lets trust a random google search lmao. Unless I see Blizzard say anything about WoW numbers I donāt believe it, I can only infer from what I see on forums, in game and around how other speak about BFA. And itās all bad.
A quick search a few other review sites can give a (somewhat accurate) answer to how well BFAās been received by critics and players a like.
It has the lowest score on Metacritic out of any expansion.
Also, I never said I disagreed with you. I know BFA hasnāt been received well by a large portion of the population. I just wanted to know if you actually researched what youāre saying or just said it cause it fits your narrative. Even if youāre right, itās important to know how you got there.
There is no research that can prove either of our points since we donāt have Blizzard info. However, itās true that WoW was developed as a PvP focused game from Vanilla-Wrath and a PvE focused game from CATA-BFA and we have the numbers up to WoD so. You make your guess what works better.
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I meanā¦ a quick google search gave me pretty decent population data for comparing D2, ESO, and WoW numbers .
It definitely does as a data point, but not as a whole picture scenario. Metacritic has a reputation for a reason. Same for steam reviews. Great for taking a snap shot, but not for using as conclusive proof. (If that makes sense.)
Guess we can trust your external sites more huh?
I actually like the way gearing is done in ESO because it allows me to still be competitive even if I fall behind because of Real Life situations.
With WoW, they sorta do that but it takes a bit to get the gear from the catch up mechanic. I am sitting at 450 ilevel and I have not done a single mythic + nor have I did any actual raiding, (my only raiding was LFR for questing purposes).
I donāt even bother with most of BfA content anymore. I level to 120 then go directly to Naz where i take my lvl 5 heart of azeroth and jump it to level 50 in a couple quests and load up on benthic gear. Most of the expansion is now skippable and irrelevant.
Are you asking me if I trust published sites with data and references vs. your gut instict?
I mean, statistics definitely can be used to lie, butā¦I think Iād still prefer that to what you feel.
Iām impressed you can put so many wrong things in one paragraph.
Vanilla released with literally no pvp content at all other than the capacity to attack someone if you happen to play on a PvP server.
Every patch release is held up with the focus on the new raid and story content.
Wrath a PvP expansion??? The build up and defeat of the most iconic WoW character ever? Ulduar being possibly the best raid of all time?? And it was focused on PvP?
Cata making PvE a more ācasualā experience? This is the same expansion that had a post written from the game director telling players to āgit goodā when doing the dungeons. The expansion that crippled casual raiding by making 10 man much harder.
Iām dumbfounded how you can write this.
Yes, there is an old video around where a developer states they always tried to keep in mind player power in vanilla relative to other players and some of you translate that or āWoW is a PvP gameā
Look at classic, the PvP is an absolute &@@@ show. Near 1 shots are rampant and we still have 2 raid tiers to go.
Are you asking me if I trust published sites with data and references vs. your gut instict?
If reading negative reviews everywhere and seeing server populations die down and having WoW fall down the streaming platforms is gut instinct then SURE BY ALL MEANS.
I mean, statistics definitely can be used to lie, butā¦I think Iād still prefer that to what you feel.
I feel this.
However, itās true that WoW was developed as a PvP focused game from Vanilla-Wrath and a PvE focused game from CATA-BFA and we have the numbers up to WoD so. You make your guess what works better.
If you want you can google the WoW subscriber count that was official from Blizzard and you can argue with those numbers all you like. You may be able to convince them to change.
