Some changes would have been ok if made to deserter but this is ridiculous. You’ve perfectly engineered out any chance of LFR working and managed to screw it up for raid and group simultaneously.
You can just about forget about any new tanks or healers trying to learn the game now.
There was no harm in people dropping from raids after the bosses they needed. Additional to that, all it takes is the slightest disagreement in play style and most people vote kick without giving it any thought.
You make one pull that one person didn’t like in a 5 man LFG and ~skadouch~ 30 minutes banned from LFR Group and LFG groups even though you were just before the last boss and 3 trash pulls away from complete.
These changes need to be rolled back.
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Oh look it’s another 0 post count alt making a dungeon deserter thread.
It’s almost like it’s all the same person doing it.
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Nah, if anything it needs to be longer.
By joining a group for you essentially sign a contract to commit yourself to that content for it’s duration.
People are upset they just can’t abuse the system anymore like they are used to doing, just like every time WoW revamps a system because people were abusing it too often.
I agree with you
but tell that to the many who whined and cried and screamed about it here 
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The 30 minute thing was created because people were crying about others leaving.
Enjoy your debuff 
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A dungeon run I can see it, but I don’t think anyone in the history of ever has ever cared, let alone notice, someone just leaving a LFR and not having the position filled moments after.
I just flat out stopped doing LFR except for the last bosses. I used to do them for fun but if I have to backfill a LFR that’s right at the last boss and then have to commit to it again to get the other two? It’s a bit excessive.
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Pretty sure Blizzard lumps all queued content together so the changes that were aimed at dungeons hit LFR as well.
Blame the Karens that can’t have their gameplay interrupted in any capacity for 2 minutes.
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Just be more patient. The problem is not the game. It’s your lack of patience. Trust me. I know. I have lack of patience a lot too
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I agree that the deserter debuff is a bit much. I didn’t think much about it because I never had any experience with it until getting booted instantly, and for no reason from a group in Remix. I didn’t even realize until then that you get the debuff from getting kicked. I always thought it was from voluntarily leaving. Then again, I haven’t been kick again since, and one kick in 20 years isn’t that much of a big deal.
Still, I think the debuff from getting kicked should start small and build up. First kick of the day should be only like five or ten minutes. After all, a first kick might not be the caused by the players actions. It could be the group. It could be harassments. It could be trolling. Like my kick, we hadn’t even started yet and no one, including me, had said anything. It was just, join up and a few seconds later booted.
The second kick in, like, an hour or two should be, I dunno, 15 to 20 minutes. If you’re getting kicked from two groups in that amount of time it’s pretty likely something you’re doing. Might not be, but it’s more likely.
Third boot, full duration debuff. It almost has to be something the players doing to get themselves booted so many times in such a short time.
I’d keep the full duration for leaving a group voluntarily. Some groups suck and there’s not much choice but to leave when they won’t fix or boot the actual problem, but it doesn’t seem too horribly common. Maybe a half duration debuff for the first group you leave in a day (per account, not per character) wouldn’t be so bad. At least then you’d have the option to bail once a day from a truly awful group without a huge penalty, but not something that could be done often.
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What about the people who wanted that boss and get subbed in after its downed because everyone is leaving? Were they not harmed by that? What about the people who have to wait for replacements since other people left, is their time not also valuable?
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Just move all loot to the end of the wing / dungeon. Problem solved.
If you can’t be bothered to stay for a 20 min dungeon / LFR run, then don’t queue. If you have an emergency and can’t stay connected, then requeue once your issue is resolved and complete a run. If your internet takes a crap after 2 of the 3 bosses, take some time and get it fixed, then requeue.
It isn’t as if the runs take a long time, but it does screw over people who have to fill and miss out on the first boss loot, then have to sit through another queue if they needed loot from it.
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Yes I think this is start of the end pick up groups in WoW if this continues on BlizZard’s part.
This means that it reverts back to guilds and friend only groups.
As you can see, Blizz washed their hands of the Vote kick system.
Groups are empowered to manage their own members through the vote-kick system. If the majority of the group feels a player should be removed, they can initiate a vote-kick to remove them. The system is entirely under the control of our players. Players may choose to remove any other player from the group for any reason, provided the vote to kick passes.
Customer Support does not provide loot, gold, or quest/achievement progress not gained as a result of being kicked from a group.
If you have any feedback about the group management system and how you think it can be improved, please submit a suggestion in-game:
- Press the Esc key to open the Game Menu, and click Support.
- Click Submit feedback or bug report.
- Click Submit a suggestion.
- Follow the guidelines on the submission form, and enter your suggestion.
- Click Submit.
Note: Groups formed outside of the queue system (Guild Runs, Mythic +, etc.) will not utilize the vote-kick system. Instead those groups will have one party leader that controls who gets invited or removed.
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I have no problem with players getting the Deserter Debuff for leaving LFR before all bosses are killed as one of my pet peeves with LFR was turning up only to find one or two of the bosses have been killed.
My only real problem with the Deserter Debuff is when you get it from being kicked from a Heroic Dungeon as there’s no reason for it. If desertion is a problem there then, implement a three-strikes policy.
With all those alts you’d think the deserter debuff would be moot.
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NO, no one signed a ‘contract’ to do an LFR wing. NO, if I already qued for a raid and bosses are down that is NOT my fault. I am given 1/3 or 2/3 or a raid wing and NOT the whole raid wing I SIGNED UP FOR. So, NO the error is that I am not receiving the whole raid wing I signed up for… and I DID NOT agree to be punished for having to spend more time entering A NEW QUE… to finish the raid wing and then get PUNISHED.
Edit: 30 minutes is a bit much! There should be levels. This post is because I had to reenter a raid twice because bosses were down and I was punished because I would get NOTHING for my time and did not need the boss I had already done. This to me is RIDICULOUS… have been playing since 2008, it’s like you hate your players?
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Out of curiosity has it stopped people from being placed in LFR groups that have a boss or two down already? Does it than punish those players for not redoing that last boss if they have to que a second time?
Because if it does punish them I have a word I can’t use here on the forums but it starts with a capital R…
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Thankfully the upcoming change to deserter debuff increased to 24 hours will help curb most of this toxicity.
I was healing on my priest the other day and I had a tank actually refuse to use any defensives. In the same group, two dps, both mages were standing in stuff quite literally on purpose. I left the group to be rewarded for being trolled with a 30 minute lockout. It was my first time healing in tww…mained a healer for years. Until that lockout thing is removed inwont touch a tank or heals. Players should have the ability to leave a bad group…whoever it was that decided to do this is an actual idiot. Never seen a tank hold a group hostage…and if there is one there is already a vote kick option. The 30 minute debuff is a joke.
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I can agree it doesn’t make sense for lfr since the whole if you didnt get a freah run you will be put into one after you clear the wing seems to contradict the deserter debuff
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