Denounce in spec tree please!

Classes Paladin
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Denounce in pvp is such a fun ability to have. It feels like it completes holy paladin in a way and opens up the option to be fully ranged if you want to do that.

My suggestion would be to maybe have Denounce move to the spec tree (without the crit prevention) as a talent choice with Shining Righteousness. So you can opt to have a single target ranged spender, or you can opt to make your aoe spender stronger. No clue if this is a good idea, but the point is denounce really feels good to have as a part of the spec and it would be nice to have this in pve too. Not just raids/m+, but open world casual content too. Denounce would just need a small buff in pvp to maybe make up for losing shining righteousness though, but again this does not have to be the solution, just want it to be available in the spec tree ideally.

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its shocking to me how quickly blizz has pushed me away from holy paladin after convincing me to try it out again witih this re-work.

i have always been a ranged holy pally at heart. there was another thread in general discussion weeks ago that covered the popularity of all the healer specs. mistweaver and holy paladin were at the bottom. i suspect this is because these are both of the “melee style” healers, and by and large, people hate that.

so when i saw “judgement has 50% chance to cast consecrate” in the re-work, and the other buffs to judgement to make it more worthwhile to cast rotationally as a heal button, this was enough to convince me to try holy pally out again. it was good. i was very sad to see denounce is a pvp only spec, but i could live with it.

but now, i think i’ll just give up on the spec again. i don’t really care much about the numbers tuning. i just wanted an option for a ranged playstyle. but it was honestly BARELY supported with this re-work, and any nerfs to it are just too much for me to maintain my interest, so i’ll go back to mage or warlock or whatever other alts i have. but basically i agree with you. denounce being available outside of pvp, would be cool, but i’m having trouble recalling the last time this game’s devs did cool stuff

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I wouldn’t say it was barely supported honestly, a full ranged playstyle is entirely possible at least in raid and pvp. We dont use sotr in raid anyway, so you can play in ranged and not care about spending on damage, in pvp we have denounce. Ranged is fully viable right now, the only place it really isn’t is m+, but even if we had denounce it probably still wouldn’t be because sotr is aoe while denounce is only st, plus we want to use cons in melee even with the judgment cons talent.

The reason I ask for denounce is largely for open world content and also giving ranged hpals the ability to spend on damage in ranged if they choose to play that way. We can definitely play in ranged already, this would just complete it especially in open world content.

I love the rework keep in mind, I have not enjoyed holy paladin this much since legion, haven’t really enjoyed it much at all since then to be honest. This rework has been amazing, i love it personally, I am just asking for a ranged damage spender option in pve, and I feel its possible we may get it eventually. Not here to insult the devs though, I think the rework owns.

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yeah the upsides outweigh the negatives on the re-work. but for me i still disagree on the ranged holy paladin being supported. you say it is, but i hard disagree. we could have got denounce and a way to apply consecrate (or do any damage) from ranged. and you know even though i wanted both, i think i mostly could have lived with just one. well denounce ended up pvp only (i dont do pvp), and consecrate was given just a 50% chance from judgment - very disappointing, but ultimately i thought ok i can live with this. just barely.

now that is nerfed to 30% chance on that talent. to me, that one change is actually too much. regardless of the fact of the spec being more fun to play now, than it has been in years, which i agree is true, its still evidence for me of how the dev team is treating the spec, teh mental space they have for holy paladin, its far too different from mine, so i realize continuing to try and play it will only make me unhappy, and the best thing is to cut loose early.

i dont want to play the game they want me to play. i have barely wanted to play it, but most of the time, for most specs, especially not the way they seem to want those specs to be played. the old-style talent trees returning was huge for me honestly, as it allowed me so much finer / granular control over every talent build. this ability to personalize my spec breathed a lot of life back into the game for me.

but there is still some Wow themes that are impossible to escape. and it might surprise people on a WoW forum to hear that someone playing WoW does not want to embrace the WoW-ness of the game. but i am here for reasons you couldn’t guess, i’m actually not a fan of the WoW class themings in virtually every case, despite that, i look past it, and just enjoy the gameplay of it, this is still the best class design in any mmo i’ve played, so that’s it.

classes are distinct, most have a good feel to play, and the new (old) talent trees allow much needed personalization of each spec so everyone can feel some freedom of expression. but the world itself is extremely lackluster, and by and large if i never saw another major lore figure in a cinematic ever again, it would make no difference to me

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I agree that the righteous judgement nerf was actually not a good nerf at all. I think nerfing cons damage was needed, but nerfing the proc chance on that talent feels very bad. Nerfing cons damage more would have been fine, but nerfing the talent effects gameplay rather than just numbers so not a huge fan of that.

However in terms of ranged viable playstyles it is definitely there, again the only place it isn’t is m+. You can play it in raid and pvp, and in pvp it is very meta, that is objective. In m+ it is not possible to really play ranged due to Sotr/cons limitations, and the same goes for open world content.

Regardless though the gameplay would feel entirely complete imo if we could pick denounce in pve or have a range extension on sotr somehow.