I’m trying to understand why Demonic Core is a baseline ability if you can talent without Demonbolt. Is there another spell that can use it? I keep checking, but I don’t see anything on the tree or book. And the answer to me cannot just be, “Well, you talent for it anyway, so it doesn’t matter.” In that case, why isn’t it just baked into the talent as a separate passive, or second spell. What am I missing here?
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I try not to think about it.
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This exists in other trees as well. It’s silly but future revisions will hopefully address oddities like this.
Yes, it’s totally strange that half of the class abilities assume you have Demonbolt, an optional talent. I am sure they will clean this up eventually but it’s really weird that it launched in this state.
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It 100% shouldn’t happen.
If the game was designed as a “computer class” project by a 14 year old…he’d get a lowered grade for it.
Nevermind the fact that a multi-billion-dollar company did this.
I honestly have no clue how things like this happen, or how there are literal talents and spells that simply don’t work and haven’t worked throughout the beta, and have been detailed in bug reports five or six months ago.
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At this point i would be 100% for just having the procs of Demonic core apply to shadowbolt as well. For those that want the extra button (demonbolt) and something to manage on procs it is there, for those that just want to feel the classic ( and simple) shadowbolt spam with insta shadowbolt procs we get that too. win-win all around.
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This is what baffles me. There’s a huge list of bugs where spells don’t work or work properly. I barely pay attention to that stuff and I’m noticing it a lot currently.
Thats been blizzard since forever. They always drop the ball on prepatch and release. Not sure why but I chalk it up to pushing release deadlines around to pad quarterly reports
Okay, I’m glad I wasn’t crazy when I read the skill book over and over. As for how this happened, I have my own theory. I believe that, with everything remaining as is in the trees, it is very hard to have both Demon Bolt and Demonic Core in the talent tree (as two nodes). They functionally require both to exist for either to work, but one is a casted spell while the other is a complicated passive. So they cannot stand as two nodes, nor can you cleanly combine them into one button, so my theory is that they just dumped Demonic Core onto the Demo lock for free to simplify things. It isn’t clean, but it could be worse.
If I had to add a more cynical view on this, I think it is possible that this was a dev’s way of somewhat forcing a particular playstyle on the spec. Perhaps they wanted the illusion of choice, but they also knew the spec was borderline dead if you didn’t play around demonic core charges. Perhaps they had too many core things required for this spec to work? Yes, it is possible that demo simply has too many required spells for how it plays right now.
With all that in mind, my prediction for the future of the demo tree is that Demonic Core will eventually be added to the left side of the tree, and it will be expanded on what you can do with core procs. Perhaps in the future you will be given options to spend cores on summoning other kinds of demons, or perhaps spend them on big cds. Ideally (based on what has been done so far), the left side will be about manipulating the life and souls of your demons, the middle will be about the generation of demons, and the right side will all be about your personal demon. Unfortunately, because of time and the spacing limitations of the current trees, it was not feasible to do more than incorporate things involving Demonbolt, leading to the current strange state the tree is in now. Think of it like an awkward growing phase where hopefully, as the tree gains more space, the devs can expand on some concepts better.
The last thing I would say is to humor the devs a little longer regarding bugs. Since post Korthia, the team has been progressively improving in how they deal with issues. They’ve been better about taking in feedback and acting on it. They are also more engaged with players and the community at large, and they’ve openly stated in interviews that they want to be more nimble with development. The new expansion put them a bit behind with all the major core changes to the game, naturally causing bugs and problems to pop up, but I would judge them less now and more during the first few months of Dragonflight’s release. I want to see if the development team has really learned to be agile with the game, fixing and improving it more often than every major patch. Once past the expansion release and eventually going into a new patch, we will see then if they are trending in a good or bad direction.
This is what happens when you outsource your work to Walmart. I feel like DF should be pushed back, but I can’t deal with another few months of the worst expac in WoW history. <(imho)
I know this is slightly old but i feel this thread still has relevance and want to see if we can get more feedback: If we could get Demonic Core procs to also apply to Shadowbolt what would be the harm, if any, and would it not solve an already existing issue within the tree/spec and simply be more quality of life (especially if you opt out of the Demonbolt side of the tree in favor of other things)?
With patch 10.0.5 on the horizon this seems like the perfect time to make this one small change that could be beneficial without any detriment that i can immediately think of to the class.