Demon Hunters played a vital role in Legion obviously but it never seemed to me that they really cared about the “faction allegiance” thing.
What role do demon hunters have in BFA? It seems like they wouldnt really care about the horde and alliance stuff at all... At least Monks are always seeking balance and all that so there story seems to go on just fine, but now that legion is wrapped up hasnt most of the goals for demon hunters been wrapped up too?
Where do they go now?
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We should be the third faction imo.
The Illidari.
Slayers of alliance and horde.
The Illidari.
Slayers of alliance and horde.
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It would make more sense for us to be mercenaries. We don't have the strength to take on horde and alliance but do make powerful allies for hire....BLIZARD THOUGHTS??
I admit to not being super familiar with the lore of DH’s in legion. I just find it odd for the lore of the class (that i know) to go from were all about fighting the legion, to nope gotta help out in this odd faction war on a planet we sacrificed everything to save, we will now gladly help burn it up!
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This is the way I see it: demon hunters fight against the burning legion in the first place to 1. Exact vengeance against the monsters that massacred their people and home and 2. Protect their world. That second part is key because it can explain why demon hunters are interested in a faction war. If demon hunters primary directive is to protect Azeroth (which I think is fair enough to say) and each faction views the other as a danger to Azeroth, it makes sense why DHs might side with faction lines.
I mean night elf demon hunters are still night elves after all, they will probably get some flashbacks to the legions first invasion as they watch teldrassil burn. So I definitely get why nelf dhs don't want to fall in with the horde.
I mean night elf demon hunters are still night elves after all, they will probably get some flashbacks to the legions first invasion as they watch teldrassil burn. So I definitely get why nelf dhs don't want to fall in with the horde.
02/16/2018 11:59 AMPosted by NolarianThis is the way I see it: demon hunters fight against the burning legion in the first place to 1. Exact vengeance against the monsters that massacred their people and home and 2. Protect their world. That second part is key because it can explain why demon hunters are interested in a faction war. If demon hunters primary directive is to protect Azeroth (which I think is fair enough to say) and each faction views the other as a danger to Azeroth, it makes sense why DHs might side with faction lines.
I mean night elf demon hunters are still night elves after all, they will probably get some flashbacks to the legions first invasion as they watch teldrassil burn. So I definitely get why nelf dhs don't want to fall in with the horde.
This kind of makes sense. Fall in with the faction they believe is less dangerous to Azeroth.
Kind of lends creed to each character should get a choice of horde or alliance that doesnt depend on their race.
With the Legion defeated, the Night Elves and Blood Elves of the Illidari will return to their people. And their people are part of the Horde and Alliance. Why is that a hard concept to grasp?
02/16/2018 08:44 AMPosted by NaethrornWe should be the third faction imo.
The Illidari.
Slayers of alliance and horde.
id be down. give us naga demon hunters too
you betrayed your race
you sacrificed everything
your own race imprisoned you for a very long time
did you really rejoin your faction? or did you just let words come out of your mouth because going into stasis for the indefinite future was too much for you.
i wish BFA was a real Battle that happened because the Illidari betrayed both the horde and alliance and started recruited anyone regardless of races to get foot holds in multiple areas and started to fight for a "unified" world where all races are equal and under 1 banner.
you sacrificed everything
your own race imprisoned you for a very long time
did you really rejoin your faction? or did you just let words come out of your mouth because going into stasis for the indefinite future was too much for you.
i wish BFA was a real Battle that happened because the Illidari betrayed both the horde and alliance and started recruited anyone regardless of races to get foot holds in multiple areas and started to fight for a "unified" world where all races are equal and under 1 banner.
To be honest, Sylvanas and the Horde are going to do more damage to the Kaldorei as a people than the Legion ever did in the entirety of this Third Invasion. The Kaldorei Illidari have all the reason and then some to burn every homestead flying a Horde banner to the ground without mercy or remorse.
As for Sin'dorei Demon Hunters? Well... They're !@#$ out of luck, their faction is evil so I guess they have to be evil too.
As for Sin'dorei Demon Hunters? Well... They're !@#$ out of luck, their faction is evil so I guess they have to be evil too.
They're not evil, just as much as the Kaldorei aren't evil. The Sin'dorei have changed much since the days of Kael'thas and even then, they weren't evil. The goals and motives might've been misplaced and skewed and objectively, seen as evil, but not done with explicitly malicious intent.
Sin'dorei demon Hunters probably are just siding with the Horde because the Alliance wouldn't look past the fact that they're blood elves. After all, Lor'themar said !@#$ you to Alleria when she asked for the Belves to join the Alliance. And why not? Humans screwed the Belves during the third war. Why would they help them?
By that same thought process, humans are evil.
Sin'dorei demon Hunters probably are just siding with the Horde because the Alliance wouldn't look past the fact that they're blood elves. After all, Lor'themar said !@#$ you to Alleria when she asked for the Belves to join the Alliance. And why not? Humans screwed the Belves during the third war. Why would they help them?
By that same thought process, humans are evil.
The factions never really made sense to me with the demon hunter story. You're pretty much just there because race.
It'll be interesting to see how they divide the Illidari up, because it's hard to imagine that they would still be unified with a faction war going on. I remember in Cata Blizzard tried to show faction loyalty with the Death Knights in the plaguelands storyline. Here's hoping they do the same for the Demon Hunters.
DH's need a reason to be loyal to their respective factions again.
It'll be interesting to see how they divide the Illidari up, because it's hard to imagine that they would still be unified with a faction war going on. I remember in Cata Blizzard tried to show faction loyalty with the Death Knights in the plaguelands storyline. Here's hoping they do the same for the Demon Hunters.
DH's need a reason to be loyal to their respective factions again.
At least on the Alliance side, I don't think there needs to be any sort of faction loyalty for DHs. Illidari we may be, but we're still Kaldorei and we still have a connection to Teldrassil. If someone burns it down, Kaldorei demon hunters should unite against whoever burned it and those who side with them... Illidari or not.
02/19/2018 06:31 PMPosted by SaranielTo be honest, Sylvanas and the Horde are going to do more damage to the Kaldorei as a people than the Legion ever did in the entirety of this Third Invasion. The Kaldorei Illidari have all the reason and then some to burn every homestead flying a Horde banner to the ground without mercy or remorse.
As for Sin'dorei Demon Hunters? Well... They're !@#$ out of luck, their faction is evil so I guess they have to be evil too.
You do know the horde is the real good guys and the alliance is truly the "real evil" in wow right. Look at everything bad that's happened in wow. It originates from either the night elves, humans, or dranei 99% of the time. Its always the alliance's fault. The humans especially are famous for betrayal and treachery. Compare that to say the orcs, who overcame their own inner demonic bloodlust and overthrew their demonic masters, literally saving and redeeming themselves even while under demonic influence, and the alliance has no excuse.
lol umm have you even met Garrosh?
04/20/2018 07:50 PMPosted by Omnichaos02/19/2018 06:31 PMPosted by SaranielTo be honest, Sylvanas and the Horde are going to do more damage to the Kaldorei as a people than the Legion ever did in the entirety of this Third Invasion. The Kaldorei Illidari have all the reason and then some to burn every homestead flying a Horde banner to the ground without mercy or remorse.
As for Sin'dorei Demon Hunters? Well... They're !@#$ out of luck, their faction is evil so I guess they have to be evil too.
You do know the horde is the real good guys and the alliance is truly the "real evil" in wow right. Look at everything bad that's happened in wow. It originates from either the night elves, humans, or dranei 99% of the time. Its always the alliance's fault. The humans especially are famous for betrayal and treachery. Compare that to say the orcs, who overcame their own inner demonic bloodlust and overthrew their demonic masters, literally saving and redeeming themselves even while under demonic influence, and the alliance has no excuse.
You literally just made me laugh out loud
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04/23/2018 05:17 AMPosted by Lothenar04/20/2018 07:50 PMPosted by Omnichaos...
You do know the horde is the real good guys and the alliance is truly the "real evil" in wow right. Look at everything bad that's happened in wow. It originates from either the night elves, humans, or dranei 99% of the time. Its always the alliance's fault. The humans especially are famous for betrayal and treachery. Compare that to say the orcs, who overcame their own inner demonic bloodlust and overthrew their demonic masters, literally saving and redeeming themselves even while under demonic influence, and the alliance has no excuse.
You literally just made me laugh out loud
He’s right tho
I feel like DH's will just fall into their respective factions like DK's did, but still maintain their core faction of the Illidari.
Like DKs, they will still have their own faction to call on in case they're needed in the future.
The Illidari's focus was to defeat the Legion and protect Azeroth.
With the former dealt with (for now), the latter will always be a thing. I think that DH's were made aware of the void at some point during their training so I'm sure they have some idea of what's to come.
For now it'll be whatever BFA brings with faction warfare, but like DKs, they'll remain vigilant and ready to jump on the next threat.
Like DKs, they will still have their own faction to call on in case they're needed in the future.
The Illidari's focus was to defeat the Legion and protect Azeroth.
With the former dealt with (for now), the latter will always be a thing. I think that DH's were made aware of the void at some point during their training so I'm sure they have some idea of what's to come.
For now it'll be whatever BFA brings with faction warfare, but like DKs, they'll remain vigilant and ready to jump on the next threat.
I'll throw my lot in with this and explain it how I'm seeing it / headcannoning it.
The Night Elves, if you've read the short story excerpt, aren't just losing Teldrassil. Their lands are being marched through, and destroyed by the Horde, their people put to the knife and annexed from their homeland for the sake of Sylvanas' war. Many demon hunters, as mentioned before in this thread, became Illidari in order to avenge their fallen loved ones, and to protect the land that remains, or to avenge the land that was lost. Asking why the Night Elf Demon Hunters decide to side with the Alliance once it is said and done is a no-brainer, it's not that they are siding with the Alliance per-say, but it's looking to avenge their people and homeland once more - and the faction of their people / method of revenge is without a doubt the Alliance, as it is where their actual race call home, and where they will turn to after the fact.
The Blood Elves on the other hand are a bit harder to predict, though the best that I can sum up is along the same lines as the Nelfs. They see the destruction, and the cost of war on other lands, and rally to their own. The Horde has lost Undercity, and though it is not inhabitable for the Alliance, what is to stop the Alliance from pushing forward north to try and claim Quel'thalas? It breeds distrust and hatred, and a want to protect what is yours. The Belfs joining the Horde would be along the same lines as the Nelfs - though looking to protect their home, rather than avenge it. Why let it happen in the first place if you can prevent it, when it's already happened everywhere else?
TL;DR: The Illidari joining factions make sense, the Nelfs to avenge their homeland, and the Belfs to protect it in time of war.
Bonus Counterargument(and Lore Tidbit): The Blood Elves were not betrayed in WC3, only Kael'thas and the forces he had on hand were thrown at an enemy, and his people followed his resentment and fell away from the Alliance over it. The Blood Elves even had to twist, warp, or even result to mind controlling their own people for the separation to happen. Don't be a sheep, the Magistrate -wants- you to believe that the Sin'dorei were betrayed, but it is far from true.
Bonus Lore: The Illidari sent out faction representatives based on race, and assigned sects of the Illidari based on the same concept. Keeping them with their people to create trust, rather than throwing a night elf into the Horde and hoping it worked out, or vice versa. There's the chance that the Illidari, when put into those situations, have created bonds or friendships, and would be reluctant to turn on their new allies or brothers in arms. You can look into the outposts in Stormwind and Orgrimmar to see that at play. It is also likely a source of controversy in the way the Illidari will pick their factions.
... LONG POST, I'M SORRY!
The Night Elves, if you've read the short story excerpt, aren't just losing Teldrassil. Their lands are being marched through, and destroyed by the Horde, their people put to the knife and annexed from their homeland for the sake of Sylvanas' war. Many demon hunters, as mentioned before in this thread, became Illidari in order to avenge their fallen loved ones, and to protect the land that remains, or to avenge the land that was lost. Asking why the Night Elf Demon Hunters decide to side with the Alliance once it is said and done is a no-brainer, it's not that they are siding with the Alliance per-say, but it's looking to avenge their people and homeland once more - and the faction of their people / method of revenge is without a doubt the Alliance, as it is where their actual race call home, and where they will turn to after the fact.
The Blood Elves on the other hand are a bit harder to predict, though the best that I can sum up is along the same lines as the Nelfs. They see the destruction, and the cost of war on other lands, and rally to their own. The Horde has lost Undercity, and though it is not inhabitable for the Alliance, what is to stop the Alliance from pushing forward north to try and claim Quel'thalas? It breeds distrust and hatred, and a want to protect what is yours. The Belfs joining the Horde would be along the same lines as the Nelfs - though looking to protect their home, rather than avenge it. Why let it happen in the first place if you can prevent it, when it's already happened everywhere else?
TL;DR: The Illidari joining factions make sense, the Nelfs to avenge their homeland, and the Belfs to protect it in time of war.
Bonus Counterargument(and Lore Tidbit): The Blood Elves were not betrayed in WC3, only Kael'thas and the forces he had on hand were thrown at an enemy, and his people followed his resentment and fell away from the Alliance over it. The Blood Elves even had to twist, warp, or even result to mind controlling their own people for the separation to happen. Don't be a sheep, the Magistrate -wants- you to believe that the Sin'dorei were betrayed, but it is far from true.
Bonus Lore: The Illidari sent out faction representatives based on race, and assigned sects of the Illidari based on the same concept. Keeping them with their people to create trust, rather than throwing a night elf into the Horde and hoping it worked out, or vice versa. There's the chance that the Illidari, when put into those situations, have created bonds or friendships, and would be reluctant to turn on their new allies or brothers in arms. You can look into the outposts in Stormwind and Orgrimmar to see that at play. It is also likely a source of controversy in the way the Illidari will pick their factions.
... LONG POST, I'M SORRY!
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I been wondering how would my dh fit into the war but then again dh are perfect for war , just cause we are called demon hunters don't mean that's all we have to fight , demon hunters will make great scouts, soldiers , and maybe play a part in the tactical aspect of war , demon hunters been using a lot of legion tech I wonder if this is gonna play a part in what they can offer their alliances , I do feel like maybe it would feel weird running into another demon hunter in battle since we fought on the same side , but I don't think night elves and blood elves were trained by illidan at the same time meaning they prolly don't owe no loyalty or have any bounds with the opposite race , im new to wow so don't judge me but I love the lore and no im not a expert or none of that ...