Demon hunter squishiest and most easily CC-able melee in the game

With the recent change to Netherwalk node, it’s hard to pick it in PvP without losing A LOT of damage.

I know a lot of people HATE Demon hunters with complete Bias; that’s fine, I’m not asking for any damage buffs. I’m asking for some kind of quality of life change to defensives which are % RNG and unreliable.

This leaves you with Blur and Darkness. 2 defensives.

At this point most classes have a knockback ability, so being knocked out of Darkness and dying is a pretty usual occurence.

You cannot use anything while stunned, meaning you can die every stun. You can press Blur before the stun, but die anyway cause its just a 20% reduction if you are stunned.

Every other melee (and class in general) has more than 2 defensives.

Examples:

Ret > Divine protection, Bubble, Shield of Vengeance, Magic Bop, Normal Bop, Lay on Hands, Self healing

Warrior > Die by the Sword, Ignore pain on 10s cd, 30s instant heal for 100k (Impending Victory), Defensive stance (can be permanently on, no cd), Disarm, Rallying cry

Windwalker monk > Karma, Diffuse Magic, Port, Dampen Harm, Disarm, Fists of Fury parries all melee attacks, Fortifying brew

Feral druid > Bear form, Frenzied Regen, Survival insticts, Barkskin (usable in stun), numerous mini defensives during bear form such as Ironfur, even Thorns can deter people from hitting you.

On top of this, you cannot remove Roots from yourself, and because of what I wrote above, you cannot trinket offensively to do damage because you will die on the next stun.

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After 5-6 years of them being unstoppable killing machines.

They deserve to be C tier for once.

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No class deserves to be C tier, regardless of how much you dislike it. I also made numerous posts about Ret paladins, but I never asked for them to become unplayable or nerfed to the ground.

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There will always be C tier classes. DH has been S tier for half a decade.

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Unsurprisingly no mention of glimpse.

Reduces damage dealt by 15% for 10% reduction.

Unlike this which is just always on.

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How was it S tier for 5 years? It was the worst class in the game in S1 of Shadowlands, was good in S2 and S3, in S4 it was bad because it was much weaker than Outlaw Rogues and Warriors. In S1 of DF it was good for about a month and a half, then received 50+ nerfs…

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This is just wrong across the board. DH rocked identical win rates to Outlaw rouge in season 4.

And was in the top 3 win rates for all of shadowlands. In 9.2.5 they were S tier.

Google each season’s tier lists, they have them avaliable.

DH was the new class that was overtuned to get people to play it in Legion. They did the same thing with Monk and DK when they released.

BFA they were literally monsters.
Shadowlands they were literally monsters. and peaking Season 2-4 with Wild hunt 1 shots.

In S1 DF they still maintain the same DPS rate as CURRENT arms warrior with higher mobility, better defensives, and over all a better kit.

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Night Fae was just Sinful. They played Necro for the later seasons with a handful running Venthyr.

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I’m glad you didn’t read the initial post at all. Tell me how DH has better defensives than Warrior? What kind of troll level is this. And as the guy above mentioned, DH was Necrolord S2 to S4. S1 you were a Night Fae hunt 1 trick, if you didn’t kill with it, you ran around like a chicken trying to survive till you got it back.

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Literally 100% uptime on on Demonic wards.
Literally 85% up time on blur (compariable to Die by the sword).
Literally has a AOE evasion.
LIterally has a bubble.
Literally has insane leech with damn near 70% uptime on meta.
Warriors have D stance, stam scream, and DbtS.

Night fae still was just as popular and played almost as much.

Literally never happened. No DH “ran like a chicken”. 5 brain cells, 4 of them used in movement.

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WW Monk is squishier and easier to CC.

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No, it wasn’t. At least not in arena.

NF was probably good for executing or reaching important targets like flag/orb carriers or peeling out of team fights in RBGs but I don’t do those and am only able to speculate. :dracthyr_tea:

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Blur: 60 second cooldown, 10 second duration? Nice 85% uptime.

Demonic wards literally useless into everything except casters. Almost every class has similar passive effects. Hunters have a 6% passive for aoe damage reduction.

I’m sorry that you never played the class and hate it so much. Nobody played Night Fae DH after season 1. Open a Healing log today in a game with a warrior and a DH. The warrior will have double the healing.

In S1 of SL, you had 40k hp with Duelist gear. Arms warriors hit you for 20k execute procs, while your Blade Dances hit for 8k and Chaos strikes hit for 5k.

As I mentioned above, some classes never get to become C tier. I’m not asking to make anything S tier either. Just quality of life changes for a class. How would you feel if you had to sit full roots during your burst CDs and be able to do nothing about it? Or die in every stun?

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Fried

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Desperate Instincts - Spell - World of Warcraft (wowhead.com)

5 second duration. Auto triggers, with 50% reduced cooldown.
so 30 second CD +10% additional damage mitigation. Never seen another class have that high of uptime on a mitigation spell where no other class has 30% other than Ret (which is being changed tuesday)

Frost DK, Destro lock, Frost Mage, Fury, Enhancement Sham, Aff lock are statically C tier.

Even right now according to WoWMeta, Havoc is S tier as of 04/06.

Spec/Class | WinRate | Score|
Assassination Rogue|1.30|246|
Beast Mastery Hunter|1.36|199|

Arms Warrior|1.25|187|

Havoc Demon Hunter|1.33|134|

This is the full list based on stats provided by the leaderboard.

  • Assassination Rogue(S-Tier)
  • Beast Mastery Hunter(S-Tier)
  • Arms Warrior(S-Tier)
  • Havoc Demon Hunter(S-Tier)
  • Subtlety Rogue(S-Tier)
  • Windwalker Monk(S-Tier)
  • Feral Druid(A-Tier)
  • Retribution Paladin(A-Tier)
  • Demonology Warlock(A-Tier)
  • Unholy Death Knight(A-Tier)
  • Shadow Priest(A-Tier)
  • Survival Hunter(B-Tier)
  • Marksmanship Hunter(B-Tier)
  • Elemental Shaman(B-Tier)
  • Balance Druid(B-Tier)
  • Outlaw Rogue(B-Tier)
  • Frost Death Knight(C-Tier)
  • Destruction Warlock(C-Tier)
  • Frost Mage(C-Tier)
  • Fury Warrior(C-Tier)
  • Enhancement Shaman(C-Tier)
  • Affliction Warlock(C-Tier)
  • Devastation Evoker(D-Tier)
  • Arcane Mage(D-Tier)
  • Fire Mage(D-Tier)

This list is based solely on win rate:

  • Elemental Shaman(S-Tier)
  • Balance Druid(S-Tier)
  • Demonology Warlock(S-Tier)
  • Unholy Death Knight(S-Tier)
  • Beast Mastery Hunter(S-Tier)
  • Shadow Priest(S-Tier)
  • Frost Death Knight(S-Tier)
  • Windwalker Monk(S-Tier)
  • Feral Druid(S-Tier)
  • Havoc Demon Hunter(A-Tier)
  • Survival Hunter(A-Tier)
  • Assassination Rogue(A-Tier)
  • Retribution Paladin(A-Tier)
  • Destruction Warlock(A-Tier)
  • Enhancement Shaman(A-Tier)
  • Affliction Warlock(A-Tier)
  • Arms Warrior(B-Tier)
  • Marksmanship Hunter(B-Tier)
  • Devastation Evoker(B-Tier)
  • Subtlety Rogue(B-Tier)
  • Outlaw Rogue(B-Tier)
  • Arcane Mage(C-Tier)
  • Frost Mage(C-Tier)
  • Fury Warrior(C-Tier)
  • Fire Mage(C-Tier)
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Desperate insticts is a talent nobody ever plays because its bad.

First of all, it shares a choice node with Netherwalk. Netherwalk can’t even be speced anymore due to how awful the node was changed. It also procs randomly when you drop low hp and can only happen if you didn’t already use Blur. This means you have to let yourself become low hp to get a blur at half duration for 5 seconds.

Also idk where you are getting these stats but they are hilarious. THATS A PVE CHART YOU BABOON. Feral druid A tier? Feral druid doesn’t exist in arena, neither does Unholy Dk anymore, and Demo lock is way above A tier. Literal PvE andy aruging on a pvp thread. Please go back to the ret threads.

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Read the tool tip. Its not random you baboon.

Literally pulling from the PVP DPS tier list on WoWMeta. Ratioed.

Theres a feral in the top 10. So go eat it.

Petkick is currently Ranked #13 in 3s and in 2s is Rank #1 & Rank #3 on unholy DK and theres 3 unholy DKs in the top 10 for 2s. So once again. Eat it.

Statistically Demo is A tier. Just because it does damage doesn’t mean its S tier. If that were the case Boomkin would be S tier for doing 1 mill damage in 15 seconds. Which based off win rate they ARE S tier in 2s but A tier in 3s. Seems you cant really read huh? Here let me make the list smaller so you can see. ONLY S tier based off win rates.

See #3 there?

Alexa ENHANCE:

ALEX ENHANCE AGAIN:

Go cry yourself to sleep. Havoc DH isnt S tier. Oh dear what ever shall you do!!!

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And rets… and DKs… and sub rogues… and some of sin’s damage… and some hunter damage… oh…

I mean hunter is also one of the defensively weakest classes right now so I don’t know if that’s the best thing to point out.

DH could probably use at least a little bit of something, but hopefully once ret is reigned in a little more on tuesday, it will be less frustrating to play.

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idk, my reflex shows the few demon hunters i’ve matched into in shuffle outhealing every arms warrior and the 1 fury warrior. albeit the last time i had a game with both havoc and a warrior was a month ago

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Your mom is S tier

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