I saw a interview and they were concerned about not going not giving better rewards for delves but that delves were ramping people into mythic+.
As someone whose main mode is delves, I dont want delves being designed with mythic plus in mind. Can we just make delve gear weaker in mythic plus only in mythic plus not in the outdoor world etc. Or better yet fix whatever is wrong in mythic plus.
Because delves could use some improvements even though i can see so much potential.
The issue was that people geared up through delves and then nothing below a +7 gave them any rewards at the end of dungeon.
Now if you applied to +7s because that would the next natural progression in rewards you’d probably have one of the following happen:
Get rejected because you have no score and wonder why you’re being ‘gate kept’
get accepted and be overwhelmed or due to lack of dungeon knowledge die a lot or wipe your group. This would upset the rest of the group and get you flamed.
Get accepted and figure it out as you go and be fine.
I’d say outcome 1 and 2 are most likely. And blizzard wants to address these negative outcomes but it’s not clear how they plan to do this and even if they can.
They made it sound like they’re going to do something to streamline the difficulty curve in M+ instead of tampering with delves. Which, honestly, is probably a good idea regardless of whether or not delves are part of the equation, as there is indeed a huge uptick in difficulty between certain certain key levels.
Which is the exact same situation if a raider with zero m+ experience decided to jump into +7’s cold. The only difference being that since raiding and m+ award more gear and upgrade currency than delves do, the delve runner will take far longer to get to that point than either of the other 2.
Sounds like the system is working as intended.
Yes, i got that part. But theres the suggestion the rewards from delves are fine, and that the we need to think of delves when causing a problem for mythic plus.
Im not necessarly asking for higher item level as having the hero reward suffices, but some better non gear rewards would be nice in the line of the portals etc (whatever the delves equivanlt would be). I understand delves are new so theres progress. One day a reason to do delves beyond 8 would also be nice but hey…
Delves being new is the cause of 99.9% of the drama. Same thing happened when M+ was new, only people were way more invested in trying to get them nerfed into oblivion back then. It will settle down after a while.
Delve rewards will definitely improve with time. Hero track is indeed fine. Fully upgraded, it’s more than powerful enough to trivialize pretty much everything except Zekvir ??. I do expect to see more cosmetic rewards put in them going forward, as those will appeal to the demographic delves are aimed at. …Definitely hoping future mounts look less dumb than the void blimp, though. >_>
Because Blizzard removed the option of gearing up in normal → heroic → mythic → mythic+ low keys. 100% a Blizzard issue.
How’s that any different than for years M+ gear has removed any need to gear in normal mode raid before jumping right into heroic?
Just like many people still do the raid on normal once to learn the fights even if they don’t need the gear, they can still do low keys to build rating and learn mechanics even if they don’t need the gear because of delves.
Ion says there is no on ramp for M+. He said lower M+ isn’t rewarding enough for the effort. They have said they are happy with Delves but it’s M+ that needs adjusting.