Love how blizzard is destroying their own features
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Also, to echo what you said. We ignored bran healing the first go in abom delve
After we locked in, we paid attention to the pots he drops, used our own potions too.
It made a massive difference.
Hell we didn’t even use flasks and dps pots.
We could have to make it easier.
IMO tier 7 8 and up delves should require raid levels of prep if they’re gonna drop the gear they do.
I got a ilvl 610 haste candle from one with very little effort. Absolutely despicable that people who are bad at the game are getting gear like this. Face rolling and face tanking content with zero effort trivializes stuff that requires it.
Edit: i do not think people are contemptuous for getting good gear. I find the game design that rewards things for the absolute bottom tier of effort to be contemptuous. A game should be designed to promote your skill development so you get past the functional equivalent of holding the mouse button down, like in the end of the new space marine 2 tutorial where you literally cannot die till the cutscene happens.
They weren’t even meant to be primarily group content at all. If anything raids should be easier for groups because thats the point of raids and all. They literally aimed it at solo only players. Iirc the example used was a spouse or close friend possibly doing it together, but it was made for soloers. Pugging them was obviously broken especially day 1, on faceroll difficulty and all.
Working as intended.
Mmm ok, so when the level 8 requires 600 ilvl, you’re 602, but you’re still one shotted by stuff you can’t kick cause it’s casted every two seconds, how could more gear can help ?
Must I go there at 620 ilvl to get M0 type reward that I won’t need anymore ?
Moreover, why did they add mini boss trash that are obviously not tested nor tuned that nobody asked for and that can wype a whole group now , ending the delve 2 sec after engaging them ?
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“Absolutely despicable that people who are bad at the game are getting gear like this.”
Do you hear yourself? How does this incite such vitriol in you? Maybe be less concerned with what others are doing. It’s a game.
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They were something I could do with my bf that didn’t involve random people, since I tend to attract window lickers in my groups.
Now we’re back to wqs and fishing because I’m not going near delves til 8s stop one shotting his ret. Why bring a healer when you can’t survive the hits?
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Pretty wild take ngl.
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breaking news, the people on moon-guard that sit in the cities in greens for a majority of an expansion think solo content is hard!
At this point blizzard should just reward you with full tier for just hitting max level. this is like the mage tower all over again, People were so bad at the mage tower because it was an actual challenge that also would get easier if you were even a little bit geared. but because someone couldn’t do it in blue and greens it was blizzards fault and the forums collectively agreed.
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It didn’t get easier with gear, it scaled your ilvl back.
Ok so basically blizzard should just grant you full raid tier once you hit max level? got it.
T8+ requires 603 ilvl to clear. They reward ilvl 616 gear, which is the highest you can get from Delves, and when fully upgraded will only be a few ilvls lower than what top tier M+ and Mythic raiders can attain.
I seriously doubt anyone is at that ilvl at the moment. You can’t even get ilvl 603 gear to drop from M0 dungeons, gear of that ilvl doesn’t start dropping until you get to keystone 5 in M+
Can upgrade Normal raid gear there though.
Weird words to put in my mouth for correcting your statement
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so if bad scaling wasnt the problem why did they implement a bunch of fixes to the scaling?
your contradicting blizzard and yourself
you have to admit scaling was broken and the problem because blizzard changed they way scaling works. its literally in their patch notes
so if scaling wasnt broken and a problem like your saying, then they wouldnt have implemented any fix
so make up your mind. is scaling broken and the problem or isnt it
so you think that they release content for us to go through. without us being able to go through it. got it. makes total sense now.
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Shorter?
Delves feel way shorter to me. Solo they take like 10-20 minutes once you realise that there is nothing of value in the pots or chests worth spending time full clearing and exploring for, while release Torghast was full of non-threatening HP sponges and long walks through areas way too big for how empty they were that I literally found myself falling asleep during them.
On Waterworks I ended up running into an unavoidable elite that I just couldn’t beat or get around right before the final boss, but didn’t really mind because I could leave and get back to where I was with a different elite miniboss in what felt like a pretty short span of time.
Current day Torghast after it got redesigned later into the expansion, maybe. I’d quit by then, but when I went into it recently to catch up on Shadowland Transmogs, even outlevelling and basically one shotting everything still felt like a slog because of how it encourages you to fully explore it, kill everything and smash every pot in order to get enough phantasma to buy the cosmetics at the end.
glad i did the zekvir?? kill before hotfix. kinda funny now people will have to wait weeks now. 
True, but highly unlikely.
You’d need thousands of valor stones and hundreds of crests to upgrade all that gear, and normal raids have only been available for a week, I don’t think anyone is that lucky to have their character fully kitted out in raid gear.
What is more likely, in all honesty, is that people grouped up with some friends and accidentally abused a scaling bug that was present in delves if you were grouped up with other people, and that is what allowed them to clear content they clearly shouldn’t have been able to clear.
And now that bug has been fixed, people are getting mad because they can’t clear the hardest solo content in the game the same way they used to. While ignoring the fact that in reality they shouldn’t have been able to clear that content in the first place.
The only thing I am is annoyed. Ignore my hyperbolic language. Participstion trophies are a bad thing. Why we seem to have forgotten that is beyond me.
I do not deserve the best stuff if I am bad at the game. If i want the best stuff i should get better and be good.
Delves were absurdly and rediculously easy. They need to be far harder if they’re going to give comparable gear to content that people regularly wipe on. Like i said above, if they give gear comparable to raid that means they should require the same amount of prep and effort.
Delvers should be bringing flasks, pots, potions, making use of bran, interrupting and stunning properly, and using defensive skills properly.
When i say “despicable” it is in reference to how easy it was prior. Maybe it is too hard right now.
But higher tier delves should be hard as heck.
People just don’t seem to think so, and that’s pathetic.
The only reason Blizzard did this is because people are gearing too quickly now.
It was a knee jerk reaction since people are clearing 4 of the tier 8 delves per day.
But now people will have far less to do and will stop playing because of that.
They need to revert this change immediately.
If you like delves or not is irrelevant. The fact is it was more to do than M0s and the raid.
Having more options is always a good thing.
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For someone with as unimpressive of credentials as yourself, I probably would cut the elitist attitude.
Just a quick tip.
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