So a T8 delve rewards weekly great vault ilvl 616 that is equivalent to a M+7 weekly, but delve T8 is MUCH easier, the mobs do scale in HP with more players, but seems not scaling in dps and hit like wet noodles on tanks. Why delve is so easy and still reward handsomely
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Delves are meant to be a primarily separate upgrade track for ultra casual solo players, and shouldn’t be compared next to M+ rewards or progression. A dedicated solo player getting easy T8 616 weekly gear is overall good for the health of the game and does not affect the M+ crowd negatively.
While 1 piece of 616 potential upgrade per week from vault might seem too good for how easy it is to obtain, consider a dedicated M+ player can farm 7-9s endlessly to get Hero track gear from chests every run and also get Runed/Gilded crests to further upgrade their gear so they aren’t tied to weekly 616 for upgrades. Whilst you’d have to pray for an upgrade in those 3 Delve slots every week.
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Delves are solo content for people who do not want to do M+
While yes, T8 Delves drop Hero Track 616 gear, it is limited to Delve and World Loot ONLY. YOu will not be seeing any BiS pieces in there. As well, T8 Delves drop champion gear at EOD (End of Dungeon)
+7 Dungeons give 616 Hero Track Gear in vault as well. However, they drop 610 Hero Track gear at EOD.
Slight correction. Delve vault slots can contain tier and several trinkets from delves are considerably better than dungeon trinkets for their ilvl, they just don’t go higher than 626. Ritual knife and quickwick’s candlestick as examples are only beaten by spymaster’s for most casters.
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I don’t think delves are easier than a +7. But then I play a mage, one of the worst classes for delves.
It’s funny reading complaint posts that delves are too easy for their reward compared to mythic+ after 8 of the same exact thing with mythic+ to raiding.
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it’s for the casuals.
oh cool, i didn’t know this.
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Also after a week of complaining that Delves are too hard, now it’s all about M+ being too hard since it’s the newer content.
Soon it’ll be the BRD raid is too hard, or classic Timewalking is too hard.
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I soloed T8 as a frost mage, ez af
So did I, but it was a lot less easy doing it as a mage than it was on my 5 other characters. I was trying to do it at ilvl 560 which made it pretty challenging. Meanwhile my bear can solo that same delve at the same ilvl without even having to try.
You used to be able to kill Zekvir on tier ? For the same gear as a +8 delve in 3 mins. I filled my vault in under 30 mins on the monk. I miss him.
Who cares? It’s weekly. Really getting tired of seeing the comparisons with mythic plus as if people are salty and want something else to lash out on instead of focusing on the real problems.
I’m curious. I get that your frost mage was harder than your guardian. What about the other 4 characters?
I have a frost mage and prot warrior, and the prot warrior is definitely easy. Tanks seem like a cheat code for delves. But frost mage seems pretty easy as well. What other class/specs do you find easier than mage (and were you frost? I could see it being harder if you’re not frost…)?
It’s not that the delves are easier.
It’s that they’re less frustrating than having to deal with 4chan-level autism.
I think you’ve got this the wrong way around.
After the back & forwards delve t8 seems relatively on the money to me, difficulty-wise.
A character who’s in half 616 ilvl gear should have an easy time & skill level won’t matter much. A player in champ gear should have an easy time if the player is competent. A player with veteran level gear or lower will do it if the player is skilled or slow+careful.
It’s M+7 that’s the problem.
If you’re using M+7 as your yardstick for difficulty, then normal & heroic raid are woefully under-tuned and need to be made substantially harder. There are pugs in actual LFR gear managing to complete normal reliably, and normal gear managing to complete heroic (gasp).
Plus personal responsibility is a bigger thing in delves, which is always nice, while pugs with a voidzone fetish can kill your +7 pretty quickly. In a raid the personal responsibility tends to even out a bit due to numbers… you need a lot more people to be incompetent to have a 1/5th incompetent raid.
The issue is that mage has no self healing, and brann wasn’t really healing for much when I did it. Every other spec in the game has self healing and/or more armor. White swings from mobs that couldn’t be slowed were the biggest challenge.
It’s far easier now that Brann’s potions healing me for like 30% of my HP each time. But then I’m already past the point of gearing where delves are pointless for that character.
Delves award is fine.
They just need to change the M+ rewards back to what they used to be. M+8 should give us Mythic gear.
Didn’t they create Warbands?
That makes it even more important to give players the ability to have time and resources to play alts.
I don’t think the delve vault can award the M+ dungeon loot pool (if you don’t include everything having a chance at tier).
So no cool trinkets, etc from devles.
Honestly once you get your tier/gear for catalyst, delves aren’t that great, unless you are just purely hunting for heroic ilvl.
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