The reward tracking for Delves currently doesn’t make much sense:
Bountiful Delves:
603 ilvl gear for completing Tier 8+ delves
610 ilvl gear if you find a Bounty Map when doing the delve (4% drop rate)
Bountiful Delve rewards are fine, if not maybe a bit much.
Delver’s Journey
After running about 100 Bountiful Delves you unlock the ability to purchase 4/8 Adventurer’s Gear
After running about 140 Bountiful Delves you unlock the ability to purchase restored coffer keys at a mildly reasonable price.(1/2 off)
Flawed Delver’s Journey Progression Logic
100 Delves on a single char would take approximately 20+ weeks (5+ months). At which point the chances that 4/8 Adventure gear is worthwhile, is very slim.
(it’s for alts you big dummy)
100 Delves on two chars would take approximately 12.5 weeks (3+ months). At which point the chances that 4/8 Adventure gear is worthwhile… is still very slim.
100 Delves on three chars would take approximately 8.5 weeks (2+ months). At which point the chances that 4/8 Adventure gear is worthwhile… remains very slim.
100 Delves on four chars would take approximately 6.25 weeks (1.5 months). At which point the changes that 4/8 Adventure gear is worthwhile… still…remains… very slim.
It’s really not until you get to 6+ characters that the reward track for delves becomes even mildly worthwhile.
Additionally, by the time you complete the Delvers journey and unlock the discounted coffer keys - you don’t need coffer keys anymore, so I’m not understanding the point of that final discount.
I don’t know the right balance here, but just spitballing…
The Adventure gear unlock should be about the 3rd unlock in the Delver’s journey.
The Coffer Key discount unlock should be halfway through the Journey.
The Final unlock should be closer to Champion 3/8, or something along that lines - even then it would be pretty worthless based on the time investment, but at least it’s less worthless then the adventure unlock.
for the delvers journy progress you are off a bit
If you don’t ever open any Bountiful Coffers and only complete Tier 8 Bountiful Delves, this will take approximately 280 Tier 8 Bountiful Delve completions , or 70 days for the season (with 1 character running 4 Bountiful Delves per day).
Completing a Tier 8 Bountiful Delve: 150 Delver’s Journey
I was really excited about the alt catch up gear being a thing, especially a full set for only 5000 coins.
But you unlock them so late that I’ll probably never use the catch up gear. I do agree that those being a bit earlier would be nice for us altoholoics out there.
Oh, I’m intentionally undershooting - I’m well aware the problem is actually worse than I’m making it out to be. I didn’t want to overexaggerate though and have the NASA scientists on the forums come in here and tell me all my numbers are wrong.
I am at 97/100 Delves completed… 94-ish of those are Bountiful Delves. I’ve opened every Bountiful Chest … across 4 different characters, and only just now unlocked the “Purchase 4/8 Adventurer Gear”.
Note: I’ve done a ton of World Soul farming for extra coffer keys, as well as daily quests… is the only reason this didn’t take me the full 1.5 months, and only 1.25 months.
This is no different than all the rep vendors who unlock a single piece of gear very late in the rep grind that realistically is worthless to anyone whose played said toon at that point…except this is better because fresh alts likely can use the item that the main has worked for.
I think delves are the ideal progression path and difficulty that future content should be based around. Raiding, by comparison, is equally stupid and easy at the same tier level. Keys are the very obvious outlier whose difficulty is way beyond the rewards (end of dungeon AND vault). Bare minimum, end of dungeon and vault should go up one track at their current difficulty levels (so if end of dungeon drops champion, it’s now hero and if vault is hero it is now mythic).
I’d also add bountiful hero drops at t11 and mythic track items in vault. In addition, Zekky is guaranteed to be present in every bountiful T11 and doesn’t run off if he kills you (as well as doesn’t drop his consolation claw prize). T11 delves are a massive step up in difficulty over t8 yet anything above t8 is currently pointless beyond achivements AND adding a guaranteed fight with Zekky that has to be dealt with is a good added challenge to justify my proposed increased reward structure (not to mention it better prepares people to actually fight him in his lair since he does all the same stuff in addition to his egg mechanic).
Finally I think they should take any kind of competition like RWF, MDI, stupid pillar humping, etc) and host it exclusively on tournament realms with stat template gear and temporary consumables inside the instance with the understanding. This allows them to control down to the stat point what each spec has and how much each boss/mechanic does allowing them to tune fights to be as insanely hard as they want AND do any on the spot tuning/tweaks and keep the live game seperate (where it is understood content will intentionally be way easier).
Basically keep the degenerates away from normies and let people progress and “nerf” their chosen piece of content via gear upgrades in whatever manner(s) they deem best or they most capable without no life mythic raiding tryhards crying anytime some other piece of content even hints at encroaching upon the sanctity of their precious mythic raids where a non insignificant amount of the actual “difficulty” is in the roster and scheduling “boss” and less responding to what cheap auras and DBM is doing the majority of the mental load telling you what to do.
Meh. I’m one node away from being done with the Journey for the Season and a couple of Guildies are completely done and we’re only 3 weeks into the Season.
Technically you can get as many coffer keys as you want from farming world souls and quests with coffer shards.
You can get only 4 pure coffer keys a week from meta/world quests. My math is based solely on the 4 pure coffer keys per week… not milking world souls and world quests.
You have 4+ characters 80+, I did call out that this is exactly where I am with my progress as well… so, not sure the point of your response If anything, you prove my point - the rewards from the Delver’s Journey are worthless to you - at 616+ ilvl , and assuming 600+ on your alts.
The delver’s journey track is ABSURDLY too long. It’s so long I gave up on completing it because it feels hopeless. Not exactly what blizzard wants. But I also hate delves so shrug
Restored Coffer Key
If anything, you prove my point - the rewards from the Delver’s Journey are worthless to you - at 616+ ilvl , and assuming 600+ on your alts.