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I rather enjoy having a dedicated melee option for hunters; you still have two ranged specs, so all the angst seems misplaced. This is not without precedent - priests have two healing specs, and basically a single dps spec, and shamans have a selection between melee/ranged dps.

The utility of pet selection is still present, and the spec seems fun and actively being developed by the maintainers. I guess the boomers will complain, but they’re too brittle to handle any change, so they’ll complain basically to complain.

Nothing stays the same forever, everything is impermanent. The trick is to not cling to expectations, but to embrace each change as much as possible. I hope we keep the melee hunter spec. Three ranged is a bit overkill.

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It’s not misplaced if it came at the cost of a play style we enjoyed, and mages and locks seem to do ok with 3 ranged magic spec’s. (as far a precedent what healing priest spec got deleted for shadow to come about).

*is it a non-boomer thing just to accept bad changes? (seems there are less people playing Melee SV than did Ranged SV)

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It’s done.

I’m enjoying the new spec. If they change it, or i should say when they change it, i won’t complain about it, but see it as another opportunity to be experienced.

Things aren’t what they are - they’re what you perceive them to be. All things are impermanent- clinging to a desire for permanence is a sure route to disappointment?

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If you just choose to lay down an take it, that’s kinda a “you” choice isn’t it.

I unsubbed myself just back for LK, (tried the experience it sucked, and seems most other hunters thought so too).

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When will people learn that it’s not just about it being ranged, but about the actual theme, and the specific gameplay as well…

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Totally valid. I’ve been unsubbed for about three years. The game is nothing like what i remember.

But yeah, i cant control anything but my subscription; if the game gets boring, going and doing something else is my first choice.

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I have been loving survival too but the defensives seems weird for a melee class since they are same ones the 2 ranged specs share. Id love for them to make Aspect of the eagle passive so you can kite while hp is low but your damage outputs going to suffer cause your losing auto-attacks OR for them to give Survival their own unique set of defensives or upgrade abilities like aspect of turtle where you can attack in melee range while turtled up. Maybe a 15% leech passive on all abilities and combines with pet leech if you choose ferocity. And maybe a skill or talent where raptor strike and mongoose bite reduces the cooldown of Exhilaration and Aspect of turtle for more staying power.

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The auto-attack loss is a problem, yah, especially since i went undead for touch of the grave. Defensives seem to be a concern if you cant kill it fast enough.

Caster classes dont get auto-attacks, tho, but a bow does, which is another reason i think this is different than the casters having three ranged specs.

In theory, a hunter is doing physical damage, so its not just thematically out of question for one to be melee.

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Probably about the same time yall realize those things are subjective.

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Yea that would be the price of being able to run away longer but keep up some damage for more then 15 sec. The class would still be melee but the defensives wont feel weird if you can kite for as long as you need. So it just my idea on two ways one can go. Tailor the defensives to melee or give Aspect of the Eagle more time and lower cooldown or just make it outright a passive.

“I personally like melee so everyone who doesn’t must be wrong”

Definitely one of the most self-centred melee SV post we’ve seen in a while, and that’s saying a lot.

In fact, there’s angst because we lost a great ranged option in favour of melee Survival. We wouldn’t want to replace a Mage or Warlock spec with melee either. Specs aren’t interchangeable with one another, and as much as melee SV fans like to rewrite history ranged SV was not interchangeable with the other two ranged specs.

It is absolutely without precedence to change the role of a spec. Hunters had 3 ranged specs and now they have 2.

How is any of this relevant to whether or not it was a good decision to make it melee? Being developed by the developers just means they’re wasting even more time on it. Besides, “developed” at this point just seems to mean applying bandaid buff after bandaid buff until people feel forced to play it.

You had to know how spectacularly immature this was while typing it.

No, we’re not just complaining for the sake of complaining. We’re complaining because a playstyle option we valued highly was removed.

It’s not about being against change. I was in fact supportive of just about every change made to the class up until WoD. As it turns out, and this will be a recurring theme based on the rest of your posts here, change is not automatically good or bad. Every change stands on its own merits. For example: changing from mana to focus was a good change and I can substantiate why, just as changing from ranged SV to melee SV was a bad change.

You evidently think unconditionally accepting any and all changes is a virtue. It really isn’t and I certainly hope you don’t carry that attitude beyond this game.

There are absolutely bad changes and bad actors. Plenty of changes in WoW have been opposed over time and even reverted. For example the Hunter class lost Kill Shot but we got it back. Should we have just instead accepted that Kill Shot was gone and never asked for reconsideration?

We aren’t dealing with an unpredictable forces of nature. We are dealing with a team of people who are ostensibly capable of reason and criticle thinking, as much as the last few years of WoW seem to hint that they aren’t. They can and should reconsider.

Is it overkill for Mages and Warlocks to have three ranged? Or Rogue to have three melee? What a ridiculous statement.

In case you haven’t noticed every spec added to the game so far has been melee. They’re finally adding a ranged spec almost 20 years in and even that one is described as “mid-ranged” with several abilities requiring closer combat. Both hero classes have been melee. There are 6 physical melee specs in the game. I would say melee is overkill at this point. Using ranged weapons is far more unique in this game so why should we have lost an option for that?

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Literally swap it to range and it can be applied to you. Also, Centred isnt a word.

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It always turns into a legitimacy conversation when both sides are right but there is nothing to prove wrong. Was it wrong for Blizzard to drastically change a class without engaging the community if they even like that or should a developer be given as much creativity as it is in their mind and budget can afford? As consumers sadly are only right is to give feedback and vote with how we engage in content and spend our money. It sucks for people who miss the way the spec used to play but it to late now you can’t commit the same error to get it back unless they add it back alongside the melee kit or as a 4th spec you can take away melee survival or people be just switching roles as the outraged over change vs those happy with the change.

There is an Anime I watch that had a similar situation called How a Realist Hero Rebuilt the Kingdom in the final episodes of the second season in the last few episodes the hero now King has a refugee problem to solve 1. he can do as the Empire to the West has done and give them barren land to settle and live there for generations till their homeland is reclaimed and after generations of war if it ever reclaimed they will have to return and leave their hard work behind even if they no longer wish to return causing conflict but solving the burden of trying feed and care for people who can more then work for themselves. 2. the other option is to take them in as full citizens give up their rights to their lost homeland and settle and become nationalized or if they refuse they are to be deported.

In a sense, Blizzard Destroyed Bepples homeland/spec and gave them a choice of resettling the changed land/spec or being deported to another spec/nation. But the problem now is there now thousands of casual players now living in what was Bepples homeland/spec and now their homeland they been there for 3 wow generations/expansions many many gamer years later and wouldn’t give it up ether as they are now Melee Survival mains creating a conflict in the player base and forum wars. I can’t tell if the RSV base has weakened or is just as strong since the initial legion change since i haven’t cared used forums much till recently but i know for a fact that support for melee survival will only grow as it continues to exist and go thru many iterations and tweaks and changes and way the Ranged Survival community tends to go on the attack is just going to polarize people against them and not create learning or understanding when you have a side you want to win but you end up pushing people to the other side. I feel like I’m in the middle on how I view the MSV vs RSV I don’t hate Bepples or folks like him for their opinion I just can’t share in their attachment though I do get frustrated at topic derailments but i normally just avoid in engaging the argument since i have no strong feelings to one side. Im in my own lil team who suggests things that maybe wierd or might make sence but few entertain my ideas.

Hi Bepples,

It’s just my opinion; opinions are necessarily given within the context of ‘self,’ and are self-centered…

It’s not always ‘wrong’ to be self centered. If I didn’t share a material good or a skill that would save you, even tho it’s within my power, selfishness would be wrong.

On the other hand, for me to say ‘hey, this is my opinion on this matter,’ well, im as human as you, and in no way less, so no, its not wrong of me to offer the opinion.

I’m sorry this change has harmed you so very much, but im still enjoying the spec as it is. Should i pretend i don’t, now, to commiserate with you? Thatd just be condescending, and wrong. Youre trying to use the new ‘social contract’ to put me in a cancelable no-win scenario, i think…

Hailing the Kobayashi-Maru, we receive your distress call… :smile:

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Melee hunter can stay. The biggest problem I see and I agree with this is simple. It was a spec that a lot of people started to love a lot. Then blizzard blizzard took it away.

Now there are people that enjoy melee surv and I don’t want those people to lose their spec or enjoyment. I just want my favorite spec back. Cata surv added to the game as a 4th spec would be nice. I am against them removing melee surv even though I hate the spec.

I do not want to ruin others fun I just want mine back.

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Good on you! This may be the most honest and reasonable post ive come across lately.

I use to play RSV. I dont have an issue with MSV as its probably the most fun spec in the game. Problem comes not from him having an opinion, its the fact hes a clown that likes to manipulate narratives and cry about something that hasnt been relevant for years on end. It isnt real life, its a video game.

its incredibly annoying and childish

I usually do unless someone acts hypocritical

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You seem to have missed the point of what I was responding to. I was making a counter-argument towards the notion that we can just play BM or MM, that “we have 2 other ranged specs”. That argument is based on the assumption that we’re only after another ranged option, which is incorrect. We’re after the specific playstyle of RSV, as with all of its abilities and effects, and more. Ergo, we can’t just play BM or MM, because those 2 aren’t the same as RSV, despite that a certain someone here tries to make everyone else believe it to be the case.

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literally complain sv isnt ranged but say you dont want it as ranged. Lulkden

most of that playstyle is now in marksmen. Your not missing much.

I mean I don’t have much history on the forums so I don’t know many active folks so ill leave judgment to gain experience with people. I know my first few topics got the attention of RSV community and I pretty much told them I like the new Survival I barely remember the old one but I remember not really caring about the damage nuances between BM and SV and found them similar in playstyle and i wouldnt be agaisnt them bringing it back but I liked them changing SV up by giving them a spear. And I find current Survival very fun but I groan at their defensive kit never changing to fit staying in melee but the runaway kiting playstyle. So im like ether make it ranged again in some form or change up the defensives.

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