What was the comp? Out of curiosity!
Actually I lied because 2 of us switched mains, but mostly the same.
S1: Prot Pally, DPriest, Warlock, Mage (we pug a 5th)
S2: Prot Pally, RDruid, Warlock, Mage âŠ
S3: Prot Pally, Rdruid, Warlock, RogueâŠ
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Christ dude. M+ is not the boogeyman.
The game is 17 years old and has been pretty poorly managed for at least 10 of those years.
You canât see past your personal dislike of one aspect of the game and are ridiculously attributing all of wows problems to that.
Seriously asinine logic.
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More people quit between Wrath (peak) and M+ introduction. I think he is bass ackwards. It kept it from falling even further.
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I understand the feeling. It does feel nice to have some special things about each class, each one has something neat they can do. The main reason I advocate for it is because I believe it will allow everyone in an M+ group to play whatever class they want, rather than needing to decide between two or three classes because their group needs a certain thing. I also think that it would make creating successful groups much easier.
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I got two vaccines and a booster. As soon as Iâm out of this meeting Iâll educate you on the conventional wisdom in the community.
Oh boy, I canât wait!
Youâre trying to use logic with someone who thinks the great vault, which is just a box with loot, is toxic.
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Well⊠I think it is toxic when it doesnât give me shinies. Does that count?
Vault has been reliably giving me upgrades until my toons about 275 ilvl, so I have no problems with it.
I was joking⊠I have actually had exceptionally good luck with the Vault all expansion.
Well save the first 3 weeks of s3 when I literally got all weapons (yess all slots I had unlocked â 3) for 3 weeks. But I found that more amusing than annoying.
You got a spare bow from then you can send to my hunter?
Not a bow, but multiple staves you could probably repurpose if you have some string,
If you think m+ if the source of toxicity you should look around you, thereâs toxicity in every aspect of this and many other games. You just seem to not want to see it in those places.
ok lets remove mythic plus also remove mythic raiding and heroic raiding and heroic dungeons as well as group finder lfr and random bg finder lets also ban all addons! i am all for banning everything!
Burn it all to the ground!
M+ is not toxic. Thatâs just hilarious. Did you just start playing or something?
And all the numbers reflect is that m+ is the most popular endgame in existence.
You donât like m+, and thatâs fine, but trying to get it killed is just spiteful and terrible.
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Im pretty sure i also said people try to emulate their idols or sneer at non meta things. Surely youâve heard of the folks that jump ship immediately when a path isnt followed just so.
I dont think thats the norm obviously, but that mentality comes from the top down and permeates into the game (perhaps not as extreme in most cases, but i think its still there).
Im not in the mood to snipe back and forth so good day to you 
Same could be said; Blizz ought to remove gear from raids and pvp while theyâre at it. Heck, just give everyone a loincloth and nipple tape and weâll all just play for the sheer fun of interacting with our fellow comrades. No need for silly gear levels. Just play because you genuinely enjoy your raid and PvP.
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On some classes, if you overgear mythic 0 and raids you can just grind both and solo them and get the top tier gear (through the vault). And then you donât deal with the groups.
This can be done on prot paladin (probably best choice, they have infinite healing and are the naaru themselves with how brokenly OP they are, literal immortal gods/goddesses) and⊠blood DK as usual two suspects. Iâm gonna try it on vengeance. Guardian druid probably. Iâve seen youtube of very overgeared hunters being able to do it. Same with warlocks. Donât think very many other classes it be possible on.
I guess an extremely skilled EXTREMELY overgeared mage can do itâŠbut thenâŠwhats the point if have max gear already.
The post at the bottom here by Picksi says how to do it