I can’t find ANY posts about this, but I’m curious if I’m just missing something - why does the talent Oath of the Far Seer have ZERO interaction with Deeply Rooted Elements?
As it stands, OotFS gives a CD reduction for Ascension and grants haste during the buff. But…there’s no benefit to taking this talent (other than the haste buff, I guess?) if you take the DRE talent.
You’re required to take this 2 point talent in order to get Further Beyond, but it feels like an absolute waste unless you specifically take Ascension.
I think it does for the haste aspect of it but that’s about it from what I can tell. And even that might now be.
DRE is really just for the random extra meatballs.
The haste is definitely relevant for Further Beyond, you want to gobble up as much haste as possible to drive down lava burst’s cast time and drive up flameshock’s tick speed for lava surges.
No, I definitely get that. It just seems weird that OotFS gives two benefits to the Ascension talent with the reduced CD, but only one of them is applicable to DRE. Thought I was missing something.
Wait so doing an earth shock doesn’t extend ascendence with DRE?
@ Ødìñ No, that’s an option given by the talent Further Beyond
@ Zerkhan It’s as written, as applied.
I share that sense as well, and would love to see more from the talent. I stated in the past that I think it’d be very helpful if it also provided Ascendance during Blood Lust similar to the Torghast power. It would smooth things out for Elemental’s entire Ascendance branch.
- I think DRE is very unreliable, and there have been plenty of fights where it simply refuses to spark at all during a boss fight.
- Further Beyond feels incredibly lackluster at the start of a fight when the shaman begins Ascendance at 0 maelstrom.
Naively, it’s tempting to want Ascendance from the beginning of a bloodlust window, but you should hold it until both charges of Lava Burst are fired first to have some maelstrom to fuel Further Beyond.
If you spend some time musing around warcraftlog’s elemental parses you will see the exact opposite. On single target fights in Vault (Terros/Sennarth/Kurog) the top logs consist of incredibly lucky shamans running DRE and getting 80-90%+ uptime on it as a direct result of Oath of the Far Seer. It’s a design fail for sure, because once it procs the player will essentially forego any and all talent/spell synergy in order to spam Lava Burst & EB for the next 3-4 minutes.
Blizzard generally dislikes whenever players don’t do things as they were intended but we can take this example as proof that not a single dev plays or knows what is going on under the hood of elemental.
i wish they’d get rid of all Ascendence stuff lol. But that’s just me. I wonder if they did a survey what the results would show. Anecdotally it feels like most people hate Ascendence. If not mechanically, at least aesthetically. And i hate that DRE does get so much gameplay because I am a huge fan of the Lightning builds.
And now with 10.1 i think i read they want to make it more balanced so that DRE procs more consistently? Which would further push us into that fire build. I don’t want to be a fire mage D: