How much would you like this returned as a PvP talent for Frost?
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It would be nice, but shimmer would have to go, and that would impact PvE.
At this point, we’re too far down this arms race of mobility.
It would likely need to be a pve ability, given frost has 0 hard cc and deep freeze would be very useful in dungeons.
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Put it in place of Glacial Insulation.
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Shimmer sucks cd is so long and every class has 4 gap closers now
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Every class has a stun but mage.
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Yes and no, Glacial insulation is still preferred when facing hunter/rogue and any melee heavy comp for the extra 25% damage reduction it provides from +armor.
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Shimmer does not suck. There is a reason it’s picked by 99.9% of pvpers
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The cd gets lowered via conduits
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Stop using it to randomly gain distance, and use it to polymorph instead.
It’s picked because both other options are absolute trash compared to it. And I have no idea what’s the logic behind deep freeze and a shimmer charge? You’ll have to explain this one.
It’s picked because it is amazing.
If you allowed mage to have both shimmer and deep freeze, RMX would be the undisputed best 3v3 comp, and nothing would beat it.
Shimmer allows poly’s to get off without being kicked, and also able to get around LOS. If you toss on the ability for the mage to Stun the target as well, well you could sheep x3, stun, and counter spell effectively locking down a healer entirely yourself. You would be giving mages a spriest like cc chain alongside it’s spammable cc and mobility. Like it just cannot happen, it would make mages gods in pvp.
The shimmer row should be
Blazing speed, Shimmer, Deep Freeze
Blink is better than shimmer, shimmer is a QoL improvement. The problem is they kept increasing the CD. Been messing around with blink with all 3 specs and it feels good, the real issue is the mobility creep of melee.
Mages really don’t have that much mobility, 2 charge of shimmer will take 50 seconds to recharge compared to monks, dh, and warriors having 2 rolls, leap, port, FSK
Mages lost their control abilities with the prunning and none of them came back.
Frost jaw(silence and root)
Deepfreeve(stun)
Cone of cold(slow for fire)
PoM(instant poly/ring),
Old alter reseting cds/procs
Evocation heal (Would rather have this than passive shield healing)
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But wouldn’t it be affected by diminish returns from the rogue stuns? I don’t really see how frost mages would become God tier with a single stun.
Mage are already pretty high in the meta for arena. Giving them deep freeze now would be stupid especialy since RMP isn’t their only comp anymore.
As fire, sure. But as frost? I don’t know. Maybe super high tier players who already are maxed out with items.
Frost sure feels like trash against sticky melees who easily lock you out of casting frost spells. A stun would allow the caster to time some burst windows and countering the facerolling melees.
Yeah and conduits make blink shorter too shimmer is useless noob move
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Oh you sweet summer child.
Says the lvl 55 mage who only has been 2k
Bold words from a Rival lol.
Maybe if you play shimmer you can break 2.1k.
Deep freeze and real shatter combos (where frostbolt actually does damage) was the most satisfying iteration of frost mage and Blizzard arbitrarily destroyed it.
The comments about “well you’d have to get rid of this and that to balance it” are distractions - obviously you can’t just give mages a 5 second ranged stun without altering how the spec functions.
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