Deducing problems with Solo Shuffle leads me to believe the mode should be removed for ranked… Hear me out

Hate it or love it, Blizzard gave something to the player base that a lot of people have been asking for. Although I think everyone is generally happy, there are some core issues that if this idea were to stay, probably need to be addressed. (And no, I’m not referring to the ladder being 40% DHs).

-Que times.
-The ladder itself.
-Exploitation of a player.
-Any communication.
-Sense of actual community.

I actually think the biggest issue, is the ladder itself. Essentially what’s happening, is that the player base is being split. Some people want to sit in LFG and do 3s, while others just want to que. This is going to effect que times, because most healers (lots of comments across socials) are going to sit in LFG, while DPS is going to sit in 50 min que times for SS. Maybe you just have a busy life and can’t LFG or don’t care too. At this point I’m fairly certain no reward other than gold and free playtime is going to get healers to que SS. Which leads me to my next point… The underlining issue is the ladder itself.

Other games, if you solo/duo (aside from something like flex in LoL) you get put into games with premades. If I play a game of ranked Apex by myself, there’s a chance I might run into 3 guys in discord… That’s a me problem. I think the same thing should be going on here in Arena. If you que up at high elo by yourself and run into CDew and Mes… So be it. Effectively that’s me saying the ranked SS mode should be just done away with, but… Yeah. It should just be solo que ranked 3s. This would help with the inflation of the ladder in 3s, and you’d still be able to give season rewards based on top % of spec. But you can still get a gladiator title and mount for reaching 2400 etc etc. Giving a mount or gladiator title to SS would kill 3s, and not giving a reward to people who do it solo… is not rewarding either. The titles for top %1 can still stay.

SS is splitting the ladder, and now you have people ****ing on their fellow players saying SS isn’t real, and that the rating doesn’t matter. Others say it’s the real testimony of skill.

Just do away with it, and make it all ranked 3s. This way it’s one ladder, like most games. Shuffle should just become what skirmishes are and people should have the option to que 2s or 3s. People with less exp on a spec are going to naturally do 2s until they feel comfortable anyway. Other specs shine in 2s… so be it.

It would stop the exploitation of the weak link in SS. After the second round, you can tell who the noob is, and people pile onto that person. Sure if they rage quit they’ll get penalized, but the toxicity is going to just turn to people throwing rounds instead of leaving, and now you have another problem on your hands. You are now getting L’s by trolling, instead of conquest and CR based on rounds won. It’s already happening, I have DPS saying dont target X i don’t want them to throw.

I think if people jumped right into 3s for one round, it would make people communicate in staging more. Hell, maybe in coms. If you win the game, you get the option to que again with those people (like skirmishes) Maybe that next que you win again, and again, and the next thing you know… You guys are actually using Blizzards in game coms and now You have some friends to play with and you form a team. There’s another dad who works 50 hours a week and your schedules line up with each other and you vibe, awesome. Because playing with friends is always better than alone.

Which leads to the actual PvP community growing and not being divided. This is an MMO after all.

The mode has split the ladder up, is causing problems with que times, and isn’t rewarding other than a title. Giving more to the latter is going to worsen other brackets. Vice versa.

Maybe it’s not this expac, or maybe it’s season 3. But I think for ranked, it should be done away with. I’m sorry that means the devs would have to axe their own code like they did with garrisons, but hey… it can replace skirmishes which is actually a really cool thing.

Just my two sense.
Happy Q’ing

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Not to be rude but can we also get a tl:dr :slight_smile:

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Missing her (my pre-internet attention span).

I think that I can understand why most people enjoy shuffle after spending a few hours floating around in the finder getting declines by 1280 cr healers because beast mastery apparently isn’t viable.

Yes, but the exact opposite. Do away with premade content, it’s outdated and almost never enjoyable outside queueing with IRL friends.

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Totally understand. Soloque’ing in general is a great addition to PvP. It’s the mode that is a problem, because splitting the ladder effectively increases que times for everyone, etc. lol

True. There’s also the thing where shuffle siphoning 3v3 participation makes 3v3 harder to push in terms of flat rating which makes it less appealing which is further compounded by, well, people not playing because it’s harder. :dracthyr_hehe_animated:

Also curious as to what this all means for 2v2

Well that’s the point. IF you want to que with your friends… Or form a premade, you still can, right into the ranked ladder. With everyone else. I don’t think LFG should necessarily go away because it’s well… an MMO. I found my mates by a lenghty LFG post, ha. Others have as well.

Yeah. You can see this right now. the distro on 3s is arguably worse than Shadowlands. Now everyone is complaining. (granted people will regardless).

I think 2s stay. Same thing. Some people just enjoy 2s. Blizzard has made 3s THEE arena default. You can soloque into 2s, or soloque into 3s. It’s just 1 ladder for EDIT: each of the 2 modes, instead of 3 ladders, with what… 30 something sub ladders?

2v2 is deflated as fk right now so nothing good it would seem

The bracket is splitting ranked PvP, and causing more problems in the long run. Do away with it, and just have soloque into 2s and 3s

Same for 3s. Rat leagues are a hodgepodge of clickers and past season glad mounts. Sometimes they are one in the same and nothing makes sense.

I think the shuffle queue times is the only thing keeping the rat leagues alive right now.

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People always default to the most easily accessible game mode. 2’s siphoned participation from 3’s and now shuffle siphons participation from both. If you actually wanted to increase 3v3 participation the most you’d remove both 2’s and shuffle. Right now it honestly seems kind of weird looking at 3’s being so deflated despite it being their premier competitive PvP mode. It doesn’t seem sustainable to me and I would guess at some point they will shift major rewards like Gladiator to shuffle as well.

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Nothing is wrong with solo shuffle on principal. WoW has needed a proper solo que and Im glad its got it. IMO, they just need to shift it to have its own identity and not just 3v3 lite.

We have battlegrounds, we have arenas, lets get a entirely new mode dedicated to “solo shuffle”.

Im sorry but who honestly cares about the opinion of some losers who only lifetime achievement is getting a high rating in a game. People do this in every game and no matter what rating or rank you get theres gonna be some junkie from Moldova telling youre bad.

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This is the Blizzard approach and seems to heavily reduce overall participation.

My fear is blizz thinking shuffle is the way forward and starts ignoring 2s/3s like they have rated bgs.

Your new mog/skin tone aint hitting chief ngl.

Yeah, I know. I just had to mix it up for a bit.

Oddly specific.

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If 2’s and shuffle were removed undoubtedly there would be players who just don’t even try 3’s and quit or do bg’s, but it would also greatly increase 3’s participation. Not sure what’s better for the overall health of the game, but right now it’s weird with everything but shuffle being so deflated and something will have to give at some point. When all of the players that were getting Glad when R1 cutoff is 3200 realize there’s no chance for them anymore because tournament players end the season at 2800 they’ll just stop even trying in 3’s and it will be even more dead. Honestly if I was Blizzard I’d pull the plug on shuffle after this season while everyone is unhappy with it as well lol.

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