Death Knights seriously need to be looked at

It’s horrible how much of a mess they are as a class, when you think death knight you imagine something cool yet there’s almost nothing so about current death knights. A class that has one of the coolest class fantasies and yet it’s plagued by huge issues that have been around for so long.

The class was in a horrible spot for YEARS, and last time it was “looked at” Blizz just quickly added the 2h capability back to frost and people were suddenly happy even though all they did was return something to us we USED to have. But now, 2h frost is not even used since it actually sucks, badly. It’s not balanced whatsoever. In fact, the whole class is not balanced at all and that’s not even touching on the actual playstyle issues.

Have you ever leveled a death knight? Leveling scaling is absolutely horrible, Obliterate does like 300 dmg at level 40 with the proc crit. It should be called Ticklerate. When your top dmg dealer until max level is frost fever or virulent plague by a country mile, that’s an issue. Player input should be rewarded, and proper use of procs and what not doesn’t even matter - at least while leveling.

Of course even at max level balancing is crud. Both unholy and frost are bottom of the pack, in fact the only redeeming factor of the entire class is unholy in m+, and even there it’s not anywhere near top tier. If you want to raid you may as well reroll - unless you want to play blood.

Just kidding, blood is absolutely horrible too. As a tank, it has threat issues, DPS is pathetic, and worst of all, even self healing is pathetic. A paladin or bear or even DH nowadays heals for more. Death Strike was nerfed so hard that the only time it even does decent healing is if you get hit for 90% of your HP out of nowhere, and the HP yoyo-ing has many healers just completely not wanting to play with blood because they just don’t want mini-heart attacks every 20 seconds.

It’s a slow moving, low DPS, barely able to produce enough threat spec, that now also lost it’s only edge it had since day 1 - self healing. Which is also the entire class fantasy, you’re a BLOOD death knight. Although to be fair, day 1 had frost as a tank and blood as a DPS spec, which just goes to show how little idea was given to DK’s since the very start. Do you know another class that had two of it’s specs completely swapped with each other? (Demo doesn’t count, demo was just completely nuked from orbit it’s different okay). Blood DK’s need more healing, or more dmg, or ANYTHING. Relying on a big parry rate while dancing rune weapon is up is NOT fun. It’s NOT the class fantasy a blood DK should have, and relying on RNG for your entire survival is NOT fun. They’re quite honestly actually bad at everything. There’s no redeeming factor at all in blood. And yet they’re thematically one of the coolest specs, it should literally be a vampire tank that is a beast to take down.

And let’s not even talk about trying to take blood in any form of PvP, it’s an absolute joke, the death strike modifiers in PvP (as if that was needed, it barely heals for anything) just completely ruined the spec.

Since I’m already all over the place with this rant let’s go back to frost. There’s only one fun button to press while playing frost, and it’s Frostwyrm’s Fury. The fact that DK’s are YET AGAIN forced into stupid Breath of Sindragosa playstyle is absolutely mindblowingly horrible. Show me a spec that does actually close to 0 DPS except every 2 min if they pull off breath, and let’s hope you don’t get stunned or anything cause there goes 90% of your damage. What a horrible talent, it’s not even fun, and yet it’s the best we have.

Even though people complained for YEARS about this. Just about the only time frost feels good with Obliterates is during pillar, and even then the Obliterate crits are not even big. Thing is, they USED to be. Obliterate was basically a melee Chaos Bolt a long time ago, and it was SO fun. It was fantastic and felt visceral. And now it hits about 1/13th of what a kyrian mage’s arcane barrage hits for. I’m dead serious about the 1/13th btw.

Legendary wise - the most fun sounding legendaries are completely unviable and considered a waste to craft. You know that legendary for unholy that makes a zombie pop up and shamble over to enemies and then goes boom? Sounds fun right? Well I sure hope you didn’t craft it because it only pops up like once every 2-3 minutes and half the time it doesn’t even reach the friggin target. What a joke.

Well at least you can always play around with the different talents right? WRONG. Like all the specs are pretty much dead set into what the best talents are by an actual mile. There’s not even any options as your dps suffers even THAT much more, as if it wasn’t bad already.

Do yourself a favor and don’t even bother playing DK, it’s quite possibly the worst designed, worst balanced class out there right now. It REALLY needs help, every single one of the three specs does, and yet nothing is being done. But at least void elves now have blonde hair right? Incredible.

Thanks for listening.

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Probably none of the devs play DK’s. Can’t imagine it.

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Is this a troll?

I see DK’s do pretty great frequently.

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I do cry once a week for blood.

Mad respect to blood dk’s who try to get ksm or higher.

It’s not where it could be but it’s really not worth not playing. It’s a subjective judgement but I find it’s still more enjoyable than a several other specs.

A DK had the highest key on raider IO a couple of weeks ago.

We do ok. All the tanks are viable up to +20. I actually feel pretty immortal. Or I did till this week.

I was actually gonna make one next but their mog sets look like poo

Whoa there… They may suck in some ways, but mogs aren’t one of them.

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I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but the only set that really made me feel fuzzy inside was the sanctum one.

I want to walk through a hallway completely unfettered by the piles of trash people call mortals.

So why do I feel like paper and hit like noodles when I’m tanking as one.

lmao.

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Honestly… reading this makes me sad. Ive never played a DK seriously. I tried it once in BFA (frost) and I never got too into it. I decided to level one this time around and take it seriously, and while from reading this, I don’t disagree with your points… it saddens me, cause I’m just gonna be another Sindragosa breathing sad DK.

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Certainly not Frost. I can’t imagine any of the devs have played Frost DK since WoD started changing them.

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Ummmm no, DK sets are some of the best in the game and definitely outrank 3/4 of pally power ranger mogs

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This post is… interesting.

Personally I’m not happy with the current state of Death Knights myself, but i’m not this unhappy.

Dks could use a lot of Quality of Life things. But putting this title is a tad bit exaggerating.

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Can’t speak for Blood or UH dks but as frost, I’ve never used BOS. I obliterated my to KSM very quickly. Pillar of Frost into killing machines makes your obliterates very, very powerful and causes them to scale off of your mastery. The talents beyond oblit or BOS are pretty much locked in regardless though, which is lame.

AMS is my favorite ability in the game. Once you know a fight, you can plan to negate incoming boss spells. Would be nice if we had an aura similar to what DKs had in WC 3!

This has been my main since WoTLK day one. I’ve been through all the ups and downs of the class over the last decade+.

That being said, I did stop tanking on this character as Blood in Shadowlands because my Veng DH is better in every single way. When I get the urge to tank, I hop on my DH. There’s no reason to tank as blood when I have a DH.

I still really enjoy Unholy and think it’s in an okay spot.

Some more mobility would be nice though.

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I run blood every day…all PVE tho…no dungeons, or raids. I stay out of those briar patches. We feel pretty squishy now days…in legion wasn’t too bad…but now…
I still love playing blood tho, so I will keep on with it. I do agree…they need some work tho. blood needs more dmg…crazy how long it takes me to kill something. I don’t die…as a rule…very often, just takes forever to kill anything.

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Can’t speak much on DKs but I’m really hoping they take a second look at self healing in general. Havoc folds to a pack of 3 mobs while leveling and are entirely forced onto vengeance to kill some bosses (or at times just a pack of stationary mobs near the obj) in world quest. Their has gotta be a way to nerf pvp healing without neutering classes entirely in the process

I am completely unbiased when I say yes DKs need more love

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You forgot all about weapon RNG :slight_smile:

I’m into week 9 of farming 4 +12 or higher keys, hard mode 1st boss of Tazavesh, and at least Heroic Eye of the Jailer for 1H weapons and not a single weapon has dropped…except for a 236 2H sword with good stats for BLOOD at the end of Necrotic Wake 14. The weapon RNG this patch is just got awful, I’ve genuinely only ever seen 2 drop the entire time (this doesn’t include crappy Korthia upgradable ones either, in which case the answer is 1).

On top of that, yeah, no, you’re right man, DK is just a huge feelsbadman right now. I took a 5 month break because I started to freak out about my health because playing Unholy in Castle Nathria Mythic Prog was hurting and numbing my hand with how many buttons there is to push.

Obliteration Frost IS pretty fun, but automatically suboptimal the very moment a second target enters the fray (which is what, 98% of the time in PvE situations? Lmao)

How about Unholy? Tons of spinning plates, so many things to press. Maybe I’m just a bit easy to overwhelm or something, but I don’t remember the spec ever being this complex.

Then you have Blood. Will I die in a single global? Does my group have an external DR to make sure that doesn’t happen? Do I have a class in my party that will allow me to effectively heck off and drop stacks during Necrotic week? Tune in next week for an all new episode of, “No, probably not :slight_smile:

Disclaimer - For those of you in the best and distant future that are gonna pop up and tell me I’m just bad at the game or bad at DK or anything of the like: I’ve been playing this game for a very long time. I KNOW how to play the game. And if I actually care enough to put effort into optimizing and performing on a class as well as humanly possible, I play that class WELL. You’re welcome to request some of my previous Raid logs to prove it, so in advance, go heckle somebody that actually cares about what you have to say :slight_smile:

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