You very clearly stated that age leads to mastery in nearly all, but not all, examples.
Having more experience and practice with literally anything almost certainly confers greater mastery and proficiency with that skill, yes. That doesn’t somehow mean that that confers automatic victory in battle.
And not all of the demon soldiers are ancient. Just the Eredar and the Nathrazim. For all we know the majority of the burning legion troops and beasts are only a few decades old. And the Eredar, in so much lore, are considered some of, if not the, greatest masters of magic in all of existence besides the titans themselves.
Source?
Other demons existed and were locked up in Sargeras’s prison.
You’re the one claiming all the demons live longer than elves. You’re the one making the claim, you provide a source.
I’m saying that afaik only the Eredar and the Nathrezim live for thousands of years, and maybe pit lords. It wasn’t meant to be a definitive statement. What we don’t know is that every single soldier in the demon armies are also ageless. Which is your claim. There’s not much evidence for this and logically, random grunts that are sent to the front lines likely don’t live long. Especially not in the armies of the burning legion which tend to focus on quantity over quality and have built their armies from creatures from thousands of worlds. But if you want to try and prove that every single soldier in the legion is thousands of years old, go ahead.
Either way, if a mage from the legion, which are known to be the best mages ever besides the titans, was to go against a Kaldorei mage, and was several hundred or even thousand years more practiced in magic than the elf, I would assume the demon would win. Which is generally what we see happen when a single elf goes against the most powerful demons from the Legion.
Demons cannot die unless killed in the Twisting Nether, so, yeah.
They do.
10,000 years is nothin’ on Warcraft’s celestial field.
We see armies. We saw the nelves win, despite being infinitely younger than the Legion.
We’ve seen AU orcs win despite being infinitely younger than the legion.
From the quest A better start. (Bronze dragons aid in the rapid growth of a tree)
Yvendormi: Not that I expect you to appreciate it, but the expertise in temporal calculus required to shift dimensional matrices forward this accurately took several thousand years to acquire.
Funny how her name begins the same as my Death Knight which got his name chosen by the Game itself randomly.
Yven according to Google(which I just searched out just now) means Yew as in Yew Trees.
Blizzard named a Bronze Dragon after the Yew Trees she empowers.
Why did WoW’s Name Randomizer slap athilim onto Yven for my Death Knight’s name I wonder?
I’m sure Yew Trees are all over Elwynn but what does athilim mean that it would be added to the word Yven?
Well, if you assume an ‘n’ before athilim has been dropped as superfluous you have a word that looks a bit like nephilim which could make your name a demon tree.
I looked it up to see if it meant anything and all I got was definitions of atheism. A non believing tree sounds about right ![]()
Does that apply to literally every soldier? Or just the more important ones? I can’t imagine that every single demon in the legion is just immortal… literally no one would win unless it takes too long to resurrect dead demons that it isn’t even that big of a boon and there’s so many dead demons that just haven’t been resurrected yet… a backlog if you will.
Yes… because there’s numerous other factors at play in a battlefield besides which side has the most skilled warriors or mages. And also the legion has never once fielded the entirety, or even the majority of their military might onto Azeroth and they have to rely on portals to field small trickles of their forces.
Demons act like brutes aside from the Eredar and Nathrezim.
Thugs that refuse to stop being thugs aren’t likely to win a war.
Azeroth had more tacticians than thugs so it outlasted the brutes long enough to cause the Well of Eternity to banish the Demons.
Even Orcs have more tacticians than the Legion with the Forsaken even commenting on the incompetence of the Legion’s Portal Builders.
The Legion’s Nathrezim were working to sabotage the Legion on top of this so only the Eredar and Mannoroth were there to strategize the attack on Azeroth.
The Burning Legion can only generally attack via portals and portals can only let so many demons through at a time because even something like the Dark Portal takes an insane amount of energy and magic to power and create. They basically had to kill half a planet just to make it run.
This was my assumption as well… but then the weird ships all came in and started attacking dalaran. Not sure exactly what portion of the scifi demon fleet that was. But afaik the demons never fielded their real numbers on Azeroth… which is why the Night Elves won the first time… if at great cost.
the legion finally discovered where Azeroth was in the Great Dark. They required portals before hand because they didn’t know where it was.
Such as?
Let’s deep dive.
How are orcs better at technology than infinitely aged demons?
How are nelves better at strategy than infinitely aged demons who literally live to kill or convert every single race on every single planet they visit?
Wild gods are younger than the Legion.
Elune contributed nothing beyond Tyrande’s “DEMONS ARE HERE” sense.
Gee idk, tactics, knowledge of lay of the land, terrain advantage, troop numbers, positioning, nature magic, wild gods who are physically stronger in every way then the average demon, dragons who are also physically and magically stronger than the average demon, the vast majority of legion troops being sent through the portal not being magic users
There’s literally zero logical merit in trying to point to one war to somehow mean that, infinitely more practice in magic, doesn’t make you a better mage.
Source on wild gods being stronger in every way?
Source o. Nelves/wild gods having better tactics?
If you say nelves are supreme over younger races because of age, there is absolutely no way that younger wild gods and. nelves could ever defeat demons
The fact that single wild gods were able to slay hundreds or thousands of demons by themselves. That’s well established. Stronger than the strongest demons? No. But that isn’t what I said.
That isn’t what I said. But the fact that they won tends to lend to this conclusion.
I never said that either. It would be nice if you stopped misrepresenting what I said.
Archimonde could slay hundreds or thousands, too.
Cenarius wouldn’t last five seconds against him if he had trouble with Grom Hellscream.
They won because they were a player race and blizzard does not play by the rp-brained idea that “if u are old u are the best and young races cannot be better than u”
My assumption has been that they are piggybacking off the larger rift but I don’t actually know if that’s explicitly supported anywhere, we just always see people start opening up little portals everywhere after we go through a big one.
I’m really starting to think that reading comprehension isn’t your strong suite. I already acknowledged that many of the strongest demons are stronger than anything on azeroth 1v1. Archimonde is literally one of the strongest mages in existence… which has a LOT to do with the fact that he’s one of the oldest mages. You’re just helping my point.
The only one pushing this braindead sentiment forward is you. Because you can’t comprehend that individual talent is not the only thing in play in a battle and that a lot of demons have beast-like intelligence.
But just so we’re clear… as far as you know, the Legion has never really been able to field all of their military on Azeroth. Or even a large portion of it? Because that’s my understanding.