The lich king? The same man who fell to the whispers of nerzhul? 
Itâs Sauron and its not close. 
I know its not part of the conversation but if i had to choose someone id take rand althor vs sauron and the LK teamed up xD.
Those 2 are just not really that powerful tbh.
Heck id take Saitama over them. (One punch man xD)
But were talking about actual feats hereâŚswinging a mace to take out 20 average troops is no big deal when your the boss of an army with super natural powers. LK has proven so much more OP because they never showed anything from Sauron himself apart from swinging a weapon around.
Heâs only other power is mind control through eye contact.
Yea thats a very fair point.
If were talking armies included LK wins 10/10 times.
Sauron kills 20, lk raises 20. Not really fair in that context lol.
I mean realistically we should NEVER have been able to defeat the LK, but its an MMO and we have unlimited numbers for population lol.
Sauron was defeated by a couple of level 1 hobbits.
Lich King defeated by the 26 most powerful and competent fighters on the planet.
Yep, which realistically was only achieved because its an MMO. In a real scenario we would all be serving the LK.
Aaaaaaah HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Thanks. I needed that.
Btw⌠Lich King wins. And if Sauron went up against Darth Vader, heâd lose that one too. The reason being that Sauron is a âlow magicâ character. The Lich King and Darth Vader are âhigh magicâ characters. Itâs all a matter of what the universe will let you get away with, in Sauronâs case? Not much. Bugs Bunny could beat Sauron.
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In bugâs defense. He literally has reality warping abilities.
We should never have been able to beat Kilâjaedan either, in lore he was way more powerful then ingame too.
WoW can never decide how strong we are. Jaina, Sylvanas, and Anduin are raid-bosses, and yet weâve proven we should be at least as powerful if not more so than any of those character because weâve faced down the likes of Archimonde in battle and prevailed.
The Black Gate is honestly the biggest 
-pull Iâve ever seen to be honest. Taking down all of Archimondeâs lieutenants at once and then facing the lord of the Eredar with only Dadgar, Grom, and Yrel backing us up? No shot.
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I mean, this is literally the point of Saiyans, and why Superman has no limits thing is so stupid.
Saiyans in general get stronger during a fight. The more they fight, the closer to power they get to the person they are fighting, until they are stronger than that person. Unless Superman just out and out kills Goku the first moment he gets, and itâs questionable if he can with Gokuâs feats, even if superman is stronger, he wonât STAY stronger.
Iâm just saiyanâŚ
These debates about Goku and Superman are something else, outside of cosmic armor supes, 5th dimensional imp supes and milk man supes Goku is gonna clap and i dont mean the canon Goku i mean Dragon Ball Heroes Goku where things get even more insane. All in all all told if youâre counting every current known version of each character Superman is gonna win. If you only count the traditional characters everyone thinks about when you say the two names Goku wins, just depends on how you want to look at it.
I mean in the comic book where Venom finds his way to Metropolis he beats the snot out of superman to the point of stand still until Spider-Man shows up and shares Venomâs weaknesses with him. In no normal circumstance does Venom come anywhere even remotely close to the strength of superman, also Supes died to Doomsday clearly showing the âtraditional Supermanâ has a limit.
Also like someone above said Goku is just gonna scale in power to whomever he is fighting even if he is behind so its a kill Goku in a single blow or risk losing kinda thing.
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This topic of power levels made me think about something else. Iâve been reading the War of the Ancients books, Iâm a good chunk into the third book now, and yeah⌠Sargeras is insanely powerful.
He literally just willed Xavius back into existence. Malfurion blew up Xavius and Sargeras just said âIâm not done with youâ and just willed Xavius back into existence in a new body brimming with both dark power and otherworldly knowledge. Thatâs nuts. Xavius isnât a top-tier threat by any means, but heâs at least as powerful as the likes of Khadgar or Gandalf or whatever other powerful Wizard or Warlock.
How in the %%%% are we supposed to believe Zovaal is even close to the same power level as Sargy? We literally just use the power of friendship to decide Zovaal canât mind-control us and then we actually just clap his cheeks. Titan++ my , lol. Zovaal has to be EASILY the most overhyped villain in this franchise. I wouldnât even put Zovaal in the same league as Archimonde if Iâm being perfectly honest.
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Yeah, I feel like this is the kind of fight that wouldnât be direct, Sauron would sooner âMalâganisâ Arthas into a willing subject than try to eliminate him directly, what with him being an influential prince/king making him an extremely useful tool.
As much as I dislike superman canonically, he has infinite or virtually infinite power. His limitations and weaknesses outside of kryptonite are entirely self-imposed. In an episode of smallville a guy who can see someoneâs death seeâs superman living forever. I imagine only the big crunch will be able to kill him permanently. I think there was a comic book issue having him outlive the sun?
Iâm sorry but Goku canât compare. Unless Goku has some kryptonite he physically will be unable to kill superman even in a billion years. You also canât get stronger than infinite. Best bet is a fight that never ends until the heat death of the universe. Or Goku dies.
I think it ultimately comes down to who is writing the story in truth because Supers has been insane in strength and fodder at other times.
Rand Alâthor could 1 shot super man, just sayain.
One word :Balefire
At the beginning of Dragon Ball Super, Gokuâs punches were threatening to destroy the Universe. Heâs increased in power literally hundreds of times since then.
And then there is Vegita. Who knows a technique to separate foreign energy from someone. Superman can be all powerful all he wants, right up until he doesnât have sunlight.
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I think even Goku would be vulnerable to being deleted from time.
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