I understand your concern. I get it. You saw issues in BfA alpha, then you were told it’s just alpha, and then the issues went live. But you know what? Even in a perfect world, alpha won’t be perfectly designed and balanced. That’s why it’s alpha. It’s supposed to have problems. That’s what the testing is for. Your problems aren’t the problems in alpha, your problems are whether the problems carry over to live.
And no, you’re not being “concerned” or “skeptical” or “hesitant”. You’re way past the appropriate usage of those terms. You’re just venting. You’re venting because you’ve already accepted in your minds that any issues in alpha will carry over to live. I get you’re traumatized by how BfA handled it, but your freaking out is just undermining the purpose of alpha testing.
No matter what expansion, features will come and they will be imbalanced in the alpha. If Blizz threw away any feature because it was imbalanced or imperfectly designed in alpha, in fear that it’ll be like BfA, expansions wouldn’t come with anything at all.
Why wouldnt we when we all HEARD the complaints in here early BFA beta about complaints and suggestions blizzard IGNORED.
NOW is the time to freak out…NOT later.
Honestly, you unmake your own argument right from the start.
My dude, it wasn’t just BfA. Issues have gone live in a near-broken state for several expansions, even Legion, although thankfully that was still pretty polished so there wasn’t a ton of negative stuff to say about it.
You’re acknowledging here that the fool-me-once crowd have a valid reason to be concerned, but then you chastise them for being vocal about alpha features they don’t like.
You then affirm the assertion that they should behave in the manner you think is appropriate by relying on a fallacy.
This is textbook Slippery Slope fallacy.
If you want people to calm down, just say so when you see people freaking out. This type of thread never works.
I mean alpha is the only time they can throw away systems. By the time they make it into beta they are way more likely to be in the game, and most likely decided to do so.
There’s no contradiction. They’re right to some degree and wrong in another degree. I’m acknowledging where they’re right, so the thread doesn’t need to be just about where they’re wrong.
If I had only talked about where they’re wrong, I’d be making my post less honest in order to sound more honest.
You know, I’m hesitant to accept that Blizzard is going to take this alpha seriously because of BFA. When most of the issues boil down to “Blizzard didn’t listen to the players in the alpha or beta,” I’m going to be concerned if I spent my money well.
“Blizzard will get it right this time” is nerd speak for “I’m pretty sure he isn’t going to lie to me this time.”
Yes, the trick is just getting developers to listen when you’re telling them, “No really, this system sucks, please don’t try to save it and just scrap it.”
The biggest problem this game suffers from right now is the fact that it’s developed by a triple-A studio with deadlines and fidgety investors. The fact that it is confers some pretty major benefits as well, but as long as the focus remains pushing a product on time rather than pushing a product when it’s awesome, the quality of the product will trend down, at a varying rate depending on specifics.
I honestly think that one of the reasons WoD is so reviled is not just because it’s a heap of things that got scrapped when they shouldn’t have been and weren’t scrapped when they should’ve been – though that’s a big part, of course – it’s that we had to sit through twelve months of Siege of Orgrimmar and then we still got WoD.
I remember that. They openly said, at launch, that Shamans weren’t ready. I’m sure they phrased it in a nice manner, but they launched the game with entire specs not ready. And yet they launched the game. If they admitted Shamans weren’t ready, what else were they rushing after launch to fix that they didn’t talk about?
The issue you’re missing is that complaints and issues were raised and ignored in BFA alpha/beta. The things that had issues and complaints went to the live game. Some of them got fixed when the outcry got REAL bad, but others were still ignored.
The worst part of this was, they weren’t even honest about what they were thinking. If they’d said to us, “We hear you, but we’re confident we can make this into a system you’ll enjoy playing with,” at least that would’ve been some acknowledgement.
I don’t recall them ever addressing the fact that Azerite gear sucked balls, and that Island Expeditions were a snorefest after you’d done two of them.
Had to explain exactly that to someone who tried to tell me “Well, it wasn’t that bad, I don’t get the hate.” But I think you and I have remarked on the memory of these forums. Like a sieve.
Not quite true. I was in the Beta for Mists. I think it was Mists. Been a long time. Anyway, they SCRAPPED an entire Mastery System and Replaced it. During Beta.
But huge core systems, yeah, if it survives to Beta, all they can do is fix it. By Beta its far too late to scrap things.
I remember being in the Beta for Elder Scrolls Online. I was among the many who spoke out about the class system. But by that point, they were already in the Beta, so they couldn’t just gut a system as huge as the class system.
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