So They basically sit lock, win. because when damage starts ramping up about 3 minutes into the fight, they mortal strike and sit the lock.
How the F()#$ do we combat this? I kite, and put out damage but healers are still purging dots with UA on multiple mobs and doing so with impunity. After the damage ramps up my healer cannot heal through the mortal strike.
I manage to kite most of the time, even with groups that have DK constantly pulling me, but later in the fight, the damage is too much.
warrior is broken, hard counter class to lock.
Only way is to kite away from their healer and get them to los. Run soul rip or essence drain. I’m hardstuck 1800s atm so maybe someone higher can chime in.
Edit: on second thought it’s impish instincts for war. I like other talents for other melee though.
WELL man, how do I start it’s gonna be a long post so Hopefully you read it if it’s 2s is way easier than 3s, but let’s stick to how to handle them:
depends on how the warrior opens if he charges/leaps he’s cooked just take the gate (always insta gate) try playing long gate always apply CoE ALWAYS NO MATTER WHAT ALWAYS APPLY IT warriors can clear CoE with leap/blade storm so save APC for when his not able to clear it remember to re-located your port after long gate, after the long gate he’s gonna try to reconnect with :
Bladestorm/spell reflect (if he didn’t use it in the open) or blade storm/shout remember to always stay in sight of your healer, but he should run to you or gate with you so don’t worry about that much just don’t LoS him.
stormbolt/bladestorm or Stormbolt/Charge All that with spell reflect on the most common is stormbolt/charge/reflect and it is the easier one to deal with just pop darkpack on Bladestorm after that Infernal him or coil.
right after is important that you force him to charge on you if you get caught in shout you need to coil/infernal ASAP, then you just port out, then you may 1 play max range from charge until your port is almost up or just let him charge you then coil/infernal whoever is up just watch for spell reflect remember than his leap comes faster than your long gate, so watch for that, try to use any cc you are left on or spam coe while you run, if he connects on you with the leap and u have no cc left don’t panic see what he pops if no CDs are being used then don’t pop anything your port is coming back soon, so port the hell out and play from max range till your port is almost back if he caught you again no worries your coil is coming back soon If you use it well enough.
after that every time his gonna try to charge you gonna have a port on CD to avoid him, when he leaps you will have a long gate or coil just watch for spell reflect if he reflects your coil you gonna have a bad time
this scenario works well in 2s, but in 3s is way harder you are not dealing with the warrior alone but X another melee, so my advice is that you save your movement for when they pop CDs example:
warrior leap/charges or just charges pop avatar/blade storm and star mongoling on you as well the other melee, then you pop dark pack or trinket the stun right away and long gate, run till their CDs run off, if they try to connect on you double coil them if they have CDs on them, they may trinket or get dispel get ready to port if warrior charges on you avoid using UR if you are not on stun or taking a hard beat with CDs you may also open with infernal but warriors tent to blade storm at the start.
if you wonder at what moment you start doing dmgs, well my friend right after they jump on you start spamming confla/shadow burn and apply immo when you are safe, remember you may tank a few blows if they are not using CDs so you may immo them/try to shadowfury, etc always try to get for CBS when u see the opportunity or when you coil, try to fear the second melee as much as you are able.
in 3s is mostly about avoiding CDs with port, if the warrior is not dumb he won’t charge you in immediately when you port because he won’t be able to slow you so he will wait, i tend to stay at max range if I know the warrior has a charge left and he force me to port out
oh I forgot, always ALWAYS try to hide him from his healer, if he’s dumb enough like a typical warrior he will chase and you will be able to capitalize on it by taking a trinket/wall or forcing his healer on a bad spot if you can stun him, if he’s not a mongoloid (trust me don’t happen often) he will swap to another target and give you some time to breath
I forgot, remember to use APC/weakness when any melee or fire mage pops CDs so you avoid a ridiculous amount of dmgs, if the warrior is far away from you then APC/CoE, or if u are about port and he only has 1 charge left
all this is fairly situational so you gotta try to adapt to the situation but that’s the average way the match goes up and that’s all you can do to kite him and survive, the longer the game the better for you
ah last one tip, if you see a tsg (Warrior/dk) take the reflecting shield and use it right after your port, if dks is bad he gonna instantly grip you, if he doesn’t you gotta watch from when he targets you or when u try to rejoin the fight he will grip you right away.
important fact do not get frustrated if you keep dying, or it’s not working for you eventually you will get it, and if you execute this perfectly and you still die in 3s or 2s and your dmgs seem fine it’s your healer’s fault 100%, in low rated RSS or LFGS healers tent to be bad and locks are a class that needs at least a healer with a brain cell, well on this expa all ranges actually lol but mostly locks
oh I forgot, keep rotating your CDs every time you get jumped with CDs rip soul, dark Pack, and try to use your HS first because it de-values over time, and remember to save port for essence-brake while facing a DH (believe me was you get a hands-on warriors dhs are gonna be your worst nightmare)
don’t you ever run essence drain EVER , I’m not sure if that still exists but it is pure garbage
You need your teammates help to deal with warriors and certain other matchups. This is where communication macros definitely come in handy. I have a macro telling my dps to dump all slows and microCCs on warrior (allowing you to weave in free casts and DoTs) while you spread damage.
Below 2k rating, most warriors don’t know when to pull back when they get tunneled, so they’ll probably keep following you around pillars without minding their positioning and get dragged from their healer. This will force their healer out of hiding, and you can then try to coil+fear the healer once you get sufficient pressure on the warr.
Also, depending on the state of the lobby/comp, don’t be afraid to fear the warrior. You can fit in some fear chains between the berserker rage CD that will give you some space.
i agree with this but everytime i post anything factual on this forum my post gets removed.